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post #11 of 92
I've never heard of Apple 'banning' FireFox, or any other browser for that matter, on iOS. It's more like Apple won't allow FireFox to be ported over (like I think it is on Android) to iOS, rather than them making a FireFox branded web browser which uses Safari's Webkit Engine or whatever it's called.
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How does an OS ban any program anyways? Can't firefox just make a Firefox version that works on macs or windows 8 and tell apple and microsoft to suck it while leaving the decision to use it or not up to the users?

Does this work differently for tablets and phone OS?

Just ignore me if it's all fiddly programmy ways and means. I know nothing of how the magic 1's and 0's make pretty lights on my screen anyways.
post #13 of 92
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How does an OS ban any program anyways? Can't firefox just make a Firefox version that works on macs or windows 8 and tell apple and microsoft to suck it while leaving the decision to use it or not up to the users?
Does this work differently for tablets and phone OS?
Just ignore me if it's all fiddly programmy ways and means. I know nothing of how the magic 1's and 0's make pretty lights on my screen anyways.

Well, if they won't put it in the App Store or its Windows equivalent that makes a huge difference for the end consumer. Sure, some people will install it anyways with their tech know how but for most people it will still be off limits.
post #14 of 92
Ehhh you can install FireFox on a Macintosh http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/Installing%20Firefox%20on%20Mac
You can't install on iOS sure, but Mac is a computer OS and Windows 8 is a computer OS aswell. A tablet runing ARM can work as a Computer too...

so essentially, you are comparing Windows 8 to iOS, not the same thing.
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I believe it is wrong to ban any piece of free software from running on any platform. Especially in this case since Mozilla is just attempting to provide a open source alternative.

I don't think its wrong, and I'm actually glad they're doing this because its one less attack vector that they must contend with.

Furthermore, the service is provided by Microsoft with more stringent hardware & software requirements, so you can only get Windows 8 RT if you willingly choose to forgo certain functionality; OEMs don't have the same flexibility of putting their proprietary software or hardware on these systems. Its a conquest type of issue... You have to seek it out.
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It honestly doesn't matter. If you don't mind one particular person stealing everything out of your house, but forbid another to do it, that is your choice. It is no different from copyright violations. If Company A owns a copyright/patent and Company B+C both infringe on it, Company A has the right to take action against either, both, or neither B+C. Plain and simple, Microsoft has a much higher population of users than Apple does, Mozilla doesn't care to lose Apple users.
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post #17 of 92
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It honestly doesn't matter. If you don't mind one particular person stealing everything out of your house, but forbid another to do it, that is your choice. It is no different from copyright violations. If Company A owns a copyright/patent and Company B+C both infringe on it, Company A has the right to take action against either, both, or neither B+C. Plain and simple, Microsoft has a much higher population of users than Apple does, Mozilla doesn't care to lose Apple users.

In the tablet space where this is concerning (ARM processor versions would be tablet), Apple has a HUGE user based compared to Microsoft. Therefore Mozilla is technically losing more losers to Apple's ban.

Steelbom: By making Mozilla not use Mozilla engine to put FireFox on iOS and use the Safari kit... they're essentially BANNING MOZILLA. Let's not split hairs here, seriously. Semantics...
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post #18 of 92
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Steelbom: By making Mozilla not use Mozilla engine to put FireFox on iOS and use the Safari kit... they're essentially BANNING MOZILLA. Let's not split hairs here, seriously. Semantics...
That's not true, Apple has a clause in their SDK that states an app isn't allowed to include its own compiler or interpretor, amongst other things, and that has nothing to do with web browsers specifically.

Windows 8 (ARM) on the other hand is an open OS and there's no reason for them not to allow FireFox on there other than to restrict users to using Internet Explorer.
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post #19 of 92
Mozilla's position is illogical, but it doesn't really matter.

What does matter, and I would like to see, is a judge presenting to Microsoft's representatives an ARM powered tablet running Windows RT and an Intel Atom powered tablet running Windows 8 and asking why they are banning companies from doing their business on one of the platforms.

This will surely make the debate a lot more interesting and will probably result in the justice department looking at Apple and asking the same question. Tablets and smartphones are getting more and more powerful, they can handle an antivirus program by now. All this "security" talk is pretentiously companies arguing they need to make these devices more secure. One of the ways to do it and supposedly not needing an antivirus is to make it as much a closed platform as it can be.

Of course this path won't last long, not only because it's anti-competitive, but also because it's ineffective. Secure systems don't exist. Users better know this rather than ignorantly believe that their devices are secure.

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You mean iOS? I expect Mac OS X to have the same walled garden as iOS though in about 4 years.

I expect the exact opposite. If justice works properly, of course.
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post #20 of 92
II think there are two reasons FF isn't allowed in the iOS garden.

1st there is something in it that doesn't play well with iOS.

2nd as I just learned recently Google is a big sponsor of the Mozilla foundation.

In any case there is something going on here thats not being talked about bu known to all the involved parties. Thats why no one is getting really excited..

@TPI

OSX is moving quickly to a walled garden, Apple like to control every aspect of the user experience, the only way do guarantee that is the MAS.
 
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