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Originally Posted by Djmatrix32 View Post

You can get Opera mobile from the app store. I use it to re-place the crappy web browser that the Ipod has.

It's the same browser. Different skin. To keep things simple.

All browsers made for the iDevices use the same back-end that comes stock. They just put a new face on it.
post #52 of 92
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Originally Posted by perfectblade View Post

Does apple pay you? The effect is the same. Not to mention that apple has denied apps in the past for "political" reasons.
Nope. Is Microsoft paying you? And yes they have, but here you've got Microsoft blocking FireFox -- on an OPEN OS -- for no good reason.

The effect is the same yes, but Apple isn't specifically blocking any browser rather any app which includes a compiler or downloads executable code, etc., which is why it's fine. Microsoft on the other hand has no reason to block FireFox, as Windows 8 isn't a closed OS like iOS.
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Want to explain the difference between iOS and Windows arm policy here Steel? Heh
Why, yes I do. Read above.
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Originally Posted by Licht View Post

No applications are allowed on iOS that replace functions found in Apple software. So since Apple has a browser on iOS, no other browsers are allowed.
There's plenty of browsers on iOS and that's not the reason why it isn't allowed.
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It's the same browser. Different skin. To keep things simple.

All browsers made for the iDevices use the same back-end that comes stock. They just put a new face on it.
That's right, although third party browsers (which use UIWebView) are slower than Safari because they don't use the Turbo 2 Javascript Engine (or whatever Apple called it).
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And yes they have, but here you've got Microsoft blocking FireFox -- on an OPEN OS -- for no good reason.

So because apple is naturally (or has historically) been more closed than microsoft, continuing to act in monopolistic ways is somehow more justified for them?

Do they have any justification for blocking compilers, other than that it leads to competition?

Microsoft and Apple both suck (at not being greedy and monopolistic), but at least microsoft is somewhat competent can produce a full-fledged, functional, powerful OSX. OSX on the other hand fails at even basic tasks like multitasking, not to mention the lack of an opengl or direct x equivalent. Heck Linux is a much more comprehensive os and it is free...

Apple hardware isn't bad, but that's probably because other people make it heh
Edited by perfectblade - 5/13/12 at 10:50pm
post #54 of 92
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Originally Posted by perfectblade View Post

So because apple is naturally (or has historically) been more closed than microsoft, continuing to act in monopolistic ways is somehow more justified for them?
Do they have any justification for blocking compilers, other than that it leads to competition?
Microsoft and Apple both suck (at not being greedy and monopolistic), but at least microsoft is somewhat competent can produce a full-fledged, functional, powerful OSX. OSX on the other hand fails at even basic tasks like multitasking, not to mention the lack of an opengl or direct x equivalent. Heck Linux is a much more comprehensive os and it is free...
Apple hardware isn't bad, but that's probably because other people make it heh

How did this turn into a thread about OS X, instead of iOS? Actually, I'm guessing you meant iOS with the comment about multitasking. Both OS X and iOS support OpenGL I believe.
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How did this turn into a thread about OS X, instead of iOS? Actually, I'm guessing you meant iOS with the comment about multitasking. Both OS X and iOS support OpenGL I believe.

Sure OSX is capable of multitasking, but it performs poorly compared to windows or linux. My point is just that apple is a good, or at least decent hardware manufacturer but that their os's are not up to scratch, that also applies to iOS and the iphone.
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Source
Mozilla.... facepalm.gif

Yeah I don't get it either.
 
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Sure OSX is capable of multitasking, but it performs poorly compared to windows or linux. My point is just that apple is a good, or at least decent hardware manufacturer but that their os's are not up to scratch, that also applies to iOS and the iphone.

Wow, is all I have to say.
 
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post #58 of 92
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So because apple is naturally (or has historically) been more closed than microsoft, continuing to act in monopolistic ways is somehow more justified for them?
It's not like that. Apple states in its license agreement that your app can't have a compiler which prevents all types of apps which require such a thing, not just a web browser or another specific type of app. On the other hand, Microsoft doesn't have such a license agreement -- at least afaik, and is specifically saying that they're not allowing third party browsers on Windows 8 ARM.
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Do they have any justification for blocking compilers, other than that it leads to competition?
It's not just compilers, but I'm betting it's all for security reasons. Remember that Apple is keeping iOS as locked down (by that I mean secure) as possible.
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Microsoft and Apple both suck (at not being greedy and monopolistic), but at least microsoft is somewhat competent can produce a full-fledged, functional, powerful OSX. OSX on the other hand fails at even basic tasks like multitasking, not to mention the lack of an opengl or direct x equivalent. Heck Linux is a much more comprehensive os and it is free...
OS X is a fully fledged, functional, powerful OS. How on earth does it fail at multitasking? And what? OS X has OpenGL.
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Apple hardware isn't bad, but that's probably because other people make it heh
Apple designs their Macs, just like HP or Dell designs their PCs. I don't know any computer company which actually makes their own hardware as well.
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Sure OSX is capable of multitasking, but it performs poorly compared to windows or linux. My point is just that apple is a good, or at least decent hardware manufacturer but that their os's are not up to scratch, that also applies to iOS and the iphone.

I'd say the exact opposite.

Oh, and your first line is nonsensical. Besides multitasking being pretty much the same as in Windows and Linux (besides the UI), in my tests OS X is ~20% faster than Windows on the same hardware (results may differ with hackintosh though)
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I believe it is wrong to ban any piece of free software from running on any platform. Especially in this case since Mozilla is just attempting to provide a open source alternative.
Is it OK for Apple to ban it, mozilla to be fine with this, then Microsofts ban being "illegal?" - The short answer is No, this is incorrect to say the least. If Mozilla believes it is ok for one company to ban its software, and call another out for doing it this is illogical.
Not directed at you personally, but given that it took Mozilla years to nail down their memory leaks in Firefox--across many different release versions--I honestly think that Microsoft has a point.
    
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