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I agree, and even if see new stepping, unlikely it would be soldered. I think the best possible outcome would be solder on Haswell....and only if intel gets tired of reading news story after news story of skimping out on tim, and if they get continuous questions regarding IHS removal that gets to be as big of a nuisance/cost to support as temp questions were prior to published tjmax. Intel is never going to alter current production, but they might alter future planning.

And really they could charge an extra $5 per K cpu, more than cover the expense, and make it another marketing/selling feature of K cpus, along with unlocked multi. No reason at all to put solder on non-k cpus with TDP of 77W.
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LOL... Go right ahead... make sure to post pics on how cutting the IHS with a TORCH works for you.
(or you could step back and think about everything that could go wrong fer a couple seconds)
Heating the IHS to loosen the solder is one thing man, but cutting metal with something like that when you have critical components mm away would be inadvisable (IMHO)

Uh what the hell is the distance difference between one that is soldered and one that's not
How do you think people do it with soldered chips, hopes and dreams? By spreading the heat what harm do you foresee? Ill post a video of how people have done this. One last thing who the hell said anything about cutting metal? I just want to heat up the glue with a pin point heat source
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Uh what the hell is the distance difference between one that is soldered and one that's not


That's an easy answer, one has solder and one doesn't... Each will have different thermal properties, but that should be fairly evident.
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How do you think people do it with soldered chips, hopes and dreams?

Not at all... I think they still cut the glue with a razor then use a heat source to liquify the solder so the IHS can be removed.
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By spreading the heat what harm do you foresee?

None at all... I see more of an issue with the flame hitting the silicon under the IHS and/or the molten BB's that will be rolling around from the melted nickle and copper.
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One last thing who the hell said anything about cutting metal? I just want to heat up the glue with a pin point heat source

Though in your own post you said nothing about cutting, you also said nothing about heating the glue. You said you thought the torch would be a better option than a razor (which people are using for cutting)

Cutting was implied as you didnt specify tongue.gif
    
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do u think Intel will offer us a trade in when the next batch of ib ships? if they fix the heat issue by soldering instead of Tim ill be mad

A)Not a chance in Hell will intel do a trade in. They only guarantee CPU's to work at stock which they do and as intel states "within thermal specifications" (that one had me laughing for hours).

B)Soldering is only going to make the heat issue better, not solve it. It will be solved in a future stepping as they mature the 22nm process.
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That's an easy answer, one has solder and one doesn't... Each will have different thermal properties, but that should be fairly evident.
Not at all... I think they still cut the glue with a razor then use a heat source to liquify the solder so the IHS can be removed.
None at all... I see more of an issue with the flame hitting the silicon under the IHS and/or the molten BB's that will be rolling around from the melted nickle and copper.
Though in your own post you said nothing about cutting, you also said nothing about heating the glue. You said you thought the torch would be a better option than a razor (which people are using for cutting)
Cutting was implied as you didnt specify tongue.gif

Come on man I've got more common sense then that. The video I watched the ihs just slid off. I wouldn't do it for more than 30 seconds and its a yellow flame, the coolest
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I tested my cpu and doesn't work frown.gif the motherboars starts and restarts itself repeatedly giving to me 00 debug code
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I tested my cpu and doesn't work frown.gif the motherboars starts and restarts itself repeatedly giving to me 00 debug code
Pull the CPU out and make 100% sure there is nothing on the underside of the CPU. Check for dust, TIM, gunk, dirt, anything and everything. Then check the socket as well and make sure nothing has dropped in there.

Then refit the CPU and waterblock and see if it boots.

If not:
  1. Remove everything from the mobo - cpu, mem, odds, ssd/hdds etc - everything.
  2. Then remove the mobo and place it a no-static surface.
  3. Now remove the cmos battery
  4. Now hold the cmos button on the back panel down for 5 seconds
  5. Now wait for 30 seconds
  6. Now hold the cmos button down for another 5 seconds.
  7. Now wait 5 minutes and then put the cmos battery back in.
  8. Now mount the mobo back in the case
  9. install 1 stick of ram in the memory slot closest to the edge of the mobo
  10. install 1 gfx card
  11. DONT add a HDD/SSD yet
  12. with the case on its side, install the (clean) cpu in the cpu socket
  13. add the required amount of TIM
  14. put the IHS back on or mount the waterblock directly on the die
  15. with everything installed and secured properly, lift the case back up the right way
  16. try and boot into BIOS

Let us know how this goes.
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Pull the CPU out and make 100% sure there is nothing on the underside of the CPU. Check for dust, TIM, gunk, dirt, anything and everything. Then check the socket as well and make sure nothing has dropped in there.
Then refit the CPU and waterblock and see if it boots.
If not:
  1. Remove everything from the mobo - cpu, mem, odds, ssd/hdds etc - everything.
  2. Then remove the mobo and place it a no-static surface.
  3. Now remove the cmos battery
  4. Now hold the cmos button on the back panel down for 5 seconds
  5. Now wait for 30 seconds
  6. Now hold the cmos button down for another 5 seconds.
  7. Now wait 5 minutes and then put the cmos battery back in.
  8. Now mount the mobo back in the case
  9. install 1 stick of ram in the memory slot closest to the edge of the mobo
  10. install 1 gfx card
  11. DONT add a HDD/SSD yet
  12. with the case on its side, install the (clean) cpu in the cpu socket
  13. add the required amount of TIM
  14. put the IHS back on or mount the waterblock directly on the die
  15. with everything installed and secured properly, lift the case back up the right way
  16. try and boot into BIOS
Let us know how this goes.
Thanks for your help i'll do everything i s possible, i had another problem back in the day, my waterblock lost water and some hardware had a shower (VGA card and Power Supply most of all) maybe the major probles is about that, anyway the hardware was off when it happened
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I would skip #7 (putting it back in the case) until you know the board still works.
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I would skip #7 (putting it back in the case) until you know the board still works.
sorry but, why that? what's the problem with the case?
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