Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel CPUs › [Video Added + Watercooling Results] Replacing the internal IHS TIM of an i7 3770K
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[Video Added + Watercooling Results] Replacing the internal IHS TIM of an i7 3770K - Page 8

post #71 of 298
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by samwiches View Post

Does modded mean that you replaced the IHS paste with MX-4?
Did you realize what the installation problem was after IHS removal?

Yes and regarding your comment earlier about the removal of socket clamp, I think that was the the reason I couldn't get contact between the CPU and H50. I couldn't see clearly what the problem was as the motherboard was inside the case. Probably going to remove it later see if makes any difference.

I think the first IHS removal test showed the clamp removed, with tape securing the CPU in the bare socket.

Also suggest you lap the Noctua base a little bit, just for flatness. And about the spacers, see if you think grinding those down by couple of MM would provide the corrected mounting height after the IHS is gone.
COMPUTER
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3570K Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H Gigabyte GTX 670 Windforce OC 2GB Samsung 30nm 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
WD Caviar Blue WD Caviar Black NZXT Havik 140 Windows 7 64bit 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8 64bit ASUS GD235HZ (GD245HQ) 120Hz Dell OCZ GameXStream 850W 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech G9 naked Allsop Black Cloth (low profile) Logitech G35 Surround 
  hide details  
Reply
COMPUTER
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3570K Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H Gigabyte GTX 670 Windforce OC 2GB Samsung 30nm 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
WD Caviar Blue WD Caviar Black NZXT Havik 140 Windows 7 64bit 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8 64bit ASUS GD235HZ (GD245HQ) 120Hz Dell OCZ GameXStream 850W 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech G9 naked Allsop Black Cloth (low profile) Logitech G35 Surround 
  hide details  
Reply
post #72 of 298
er uh
COMPUTER
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3570K Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H Gigabyte GTX 670 Windforce OC 2GB Samsung 30nm 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
WD Caviar Blue WD Caviar Black NZXT Havik 140 Windows 7 64bit 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8 64bit ASUS GD235HZ (GD245HQ) 120Hz Dell OCZ GameXStream 850W 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech G9 naked Allsop Black Cloth (low profile) Logitech G35 Surround 
  hide details  
Reply
COMPUTER
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3570K Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H Gigabyte GTX 670 Windforce OC 2GB Samsung 30nm 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
WD Caviar Blue WD Caviar Black NZXT Havik 140 Windows 7 64bit 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8 64bit ASUS GD235HZ (GD245HQ) 120Hz Dell OCZ GameXStream 850W 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech G9 naked Allsop Black Cloth (low profile) Logitech G35 Surround 
  hide details  
Reply
post #73 of 298
How hard was it to remove the ihs, and can you put it back on after removal?
Dripping wet
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3770k @4.8 1.48v Delid with Liquid Pro Asus p8z77v Diamond 7970 @1225/1750 1.3v,/1.65 xspc block 8gb gskill ripjaws 2133 cas 9 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial M4 256gb/500gb seagate Raystorm, RX240, EX240, EX120 windows 7 64 BenQ xl2420tx 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair AX850 Corsair c70 *window mod* Razer Taipan Alesis m320's 
  hide details  
Reply
Dripping wet
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3770k @4.8 1.48v Delid with Liquid Pro Asus p8z77v Diamond 7970 @1225/1750 1.3v,/1.65 xspc block 8gb gskill ripjaws 2133 cas 9 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial M4 256gb/500gb seagate Raystorm, RX240, EX240, EX120 windows 7 64 BenQ xl2420tx 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair AX850 Corsair c70 *window mod* Razer Taipan Alesis m320's 
  hide details  
Reply
post #74 of 298
Quote:
Originally Posted by iinversion View Post

5C with better TIM, you'd get even more if it was soldered like it should be.

I could potentially see it being a 10C+ difference with Liquid Pro TIM because it is 100% metal.
Edited by icehotshot - 5/13/12 at 12:53am
SB goodness
(14 items)
 
Core 2 duo
(9 items)
 
folder
(8 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2500k @ 4.6ghz,1.47v 24/7 GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD4-B3 $200 EVGA GTX 970 SSC @ 1505mhz 16gb 2400 SuperSC DDR3 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
960gb Sandisk Ultra II Corsair H100i v2 Windows 7 64-bit SeaSonic X650 Gold 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Obsidian Series® 750D Airflow Edition Zowie FK 2 Speed by Surface/Steelseries SX/Steelseries 9HD 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Duo E6750 Asus P5n32-e SLI EVGA 8800gt superclocked @ 750/725 gaming/folding 4gb Fatal!ty ddr2 800 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
64gb SSD Stock Win 7 64 bit Corsair CX500 
Case
NZXT 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Pentium E6300 MSI G41M4-F GTX 460 2gb A-data ddr2 800 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
150gb raptor Ubuntu 13.04 64-bit Coolmax 520W NZXT 
  hide details  
Reply
SB goodness
(14 items)
 
Core 2 duo
(9 items)
 
folder
(8 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2500k @ 4.6ghz,1.47v 24/7 GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD4-B3 $200 EVGA GTX 970 SSC @ 1505mhz 16gb 2400 SuperSC DDR3 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
960gb Sandisk Ultra II Corsair H100i v2 Windows 7 64-bit SeaSonic X650 Gold 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Obsidian Series® 750D Airflow Edition Zowie FK 2 Speed by Surface/Steelseries SX/Steelseries 9HD 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Duo E6750 Asus P5n32-e SLI EVGA 8800gt superclocked @ 750/725 gaming/folding 4gb Fatal!ty ddr2 800 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
64gb SSD Stock Win 7 64 bit Corsair CX500 
Case
NZXT 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Pentium E6300 MSI G41M4-F GTX 460 2gb A-data ddr2 800 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
150gb raptor Ubuntu 13.04 64-bit Coolmax 520W NZXT 
  hide details  
Reply
post #75 of 298
Thread Starter 
I'm adamant that a liquid based cooler would yield better results here (bare chip against the heatsink) as the heat transfer between the internal heat spreader to a cold plate with liquid on the other side is much more efficient than just a piece of solid metal.

I say this because the temperature decreesed by replacing the TIm but we still had two layers of it. In theory, 1 less layer should improve heat transfer.

I believe the reason The guy that tested the exposed chip with the D14 didn't get improved temps was that the small internal block simply couldn't dispose of the generated heat quickly enough if it's in contact with a metal surface with no liquid involved as the heat can't escape efficiently,

I really hope I made at least a little sense. I'm so tired that I had to work on what I wrote for about 15 minutes just to make it partially understandable.
Edited by Cyclops - 5/13/12 at 12:17am
No Bottlenecks
(21 items)
 
 
File Server
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
6700K @ 4.8 GHz 1.35V Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 7 GTX 1080 Reference @ 2.05 / 11 GHz 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws 3350 MHz 15-14-14-34-2T 1.35V 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Intel 750 400GB PCIe WD Red 8TB NAS 10 * 6TB HGST Desktar NAS (RAID Z2) Go away 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK-FB GA Z170X Monoblock EK-FC1080 GTX Waterblock/Backplate 2 * Dazmode Darkside LP360 MCP355 DDC @ 7V 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
9 * Corsair SP120 Quiet Edition @ 7V 8.1 Pro 12-bit Asus VG27HE 27" 1080p @ 145Hz Corsair Vengeance K60 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
SeaSonic SS-520FL2 - Fanless Fractal Design Define S Logitech G502 Proteus Core XTRAC PADS Ripper XXL 
Audio
Asus Xonar DSX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4770K @ 4.7 GHz 1.39V Maximus VI Gene MSI GTX 1070 Seahawk EK X @ 2.1/9.0 Ghz 16GB G.Skill Sniper 2600 MHz 11-14-14-14-2T 1.65V 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 840 Pro 256GB WD Green 6TB I will end you Dazmode Darkside Maple Leaf Special Edition 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK GTX 1070 Seahawk Feser TFC Admiral 240 Black Ice GTX Xtreme M92 6 * Silverstone SST-FN121-P 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
2 * Noctua NF-B9 Redux 7 Ultimate 64-bit Samsung U28D590D 28" 4K Overlord Tempest X270OC 27" 1440P 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Vengeance K60 EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 NZXT Vulcan (With Attached Handle) Logitech G500 
Mouse Pad
XTRAC PADS Ripper XXL 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
E5-2670 Supermicro X9SRA 64GB Samsung ECC 1333 MHz Mushkin Ventura Pro 32GB (Boot) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
10 * 6TB HGST Deskstar NAS (RAID Z2) I will harm you Corsair H60 FreeNAS 9.10 
PowerCase
Corsair RM650 (Passive) Fractal Design Define R5 
  hide details  
Reply
No Bottlenecks
(21 items)
 
 
File Server
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
6700K @ 4.8 GHz 1.35V Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 7 GTX 1080 Reference @ 2.05 / 11 GHz 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws 3350 MHz 15-14-14-34-2T 1.35V 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Intel 750 400GB PCIe WD Red 8TB NAS 10 * 6TB HGST Desktar NAS (RAID Z2) Go away 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK-FB GA Z170X Monoblock EK-FC1080 GTX Waterblock/Backplate 2 * Dazmode Darkside LP360 MCP355 DDC @ 7V 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
9 * Corsair SP120 Quiet Edition @ 7V 8.1 Pro 12-bit Asus VG27HE 27" 1080p @ 145Hz Corsair Vengeance K60 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
SeaSonic SS-520FL2 - Fanless Fractal Design Define S Logitech G502 Proteus Core XTRAC PADS Ripper XXL 
Audio
Asus Xonar DSX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4770K @ 4.7 GHz 1.39V Maximus VI Gene MSI GTX 1070 Seahawk EK X @ 2.1/9.0 Ghz 16GB G.Skill Sniper 2600 MHz 11-14-14-14-2T 1.65V 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 840 Pro 256GB WD Green 6TB I will end you Dazmode Darkside Maple Leaf Special Edition 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK GTX 1070 Seahawk Feser TFC Admiral 240 Black Ice GTX Xtreme M92 6 * Silverstone SST-FN121-P 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
2 * Noctua NF-B9 Redux 7 Ultimate 64-bit Samsung U28D590D 28" 4K Overlord Tempest X270OC 27" 1440P 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair Vengeance K60 EVGA SuperNova 750 G2 NZXT Vulcan (With Attached Handle) Logitech G500 
Mouse Pad
XTRAC PADS Ripper XXL 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
E5-2670 Supermicro X9SRA 64GB Samsung ECC 1333 MHz Mushkin Ventura Pro 32GB (Boot) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
10 * 6TB HGST Deskstar NAS (RAID Z2) I will harm you Corsair H60 FreeNAS 9.10 
PowerCase
Corsair RM650 (Passive) Fractal Design Define R5 
  hide details  
Reply
post #76 of 298
Nice work, I want to do this to my chip for the 5c, how did you stick the IHS back on?
post #77 of 298
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post

I'm adamant that a liquid based cooler would yield better results here (bare chip against the heatsink) as the heat transfer between the internal heat spreader to a cold plate with liquid on the other side is much more efficient than just a piece of solid metal.

That's not how it works.

Air cooler heat transfer: CPU > Metal > Air
Liq cooler heat transfer: CPU > Metal > Liquid > Metal > Air

Assuming all else is equal, the air cooler is better because there are less middlemen for transfer inefficiencies. However, things are often not equal because the last portion, the "Metal > Air" part, is usually better in water cooling due to superior radiator placement, total surface area, and number of fans.

Edit: I suppose an air cooler would have an equivalent "liquid" transfer point within the materials of a heatpipe, but the thermal conductivity there should be vastly superior to the water-metal interfaces of a water cooling loop.
Edited by mavere - 5/13/12 at 1:31am
post #78 of 298
Anyone know if Artic Silver Formula 7 would be any good for this? It has "diamond" in the compound...rolleyes.gif
 
Lester the Tester
(12 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770k @4.4ghz - 1.18v Maximus V Formula EVGA GTX 1080 FTW Crucial Ballistix 2x8gb 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Crucial 256gb SSD + RAID 5 3x2TB plextor DVD/CD+/-RW Corsair H100 W10 Pro - 64Bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG 34UM69-G G15 AX850 Thermaltake P5 
MouseAudioOther
Logitech G5 Max V Formula Gentle Typhoon AP-45 x7 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
e7400 @3.8ghz (Air) asus p5q se EVGA GTX 280 G.Skill HyperX 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Seagate  hyper212 evo W7 Ultimate-64Bit Samsung PX2370 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
k800 CM 550W Random thermaltake G5 
  hide details  
Reply
 
Lester the Tester
(12 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770k @4.4ghz - 1.18v Maximus V Formula EVGA GTX 1080 FTW Crucial Ballistix 2x8gb 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Crucial 256gb SSD + RAID 5 3x2TB plextor DVD/CD+/-RW Corsair H100 W10 Pro - 64Bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG 34UM69-G G15 AX850 Thermaltake P5 
MouseAudioOther
Logitech G5 Max V Formula Gentle Typhoon AP-45 x7 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
e7400 @3.8ghz (Air) asus p5q se EVGA GTX 280 G.Skill HyperX 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Seagate  hyper212 evo W7 Ultimate-64Bit Samsung PX2370 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
k800 CM 550W Random thermaltake G5 
  hide details  
Reply
post #79 of 298
So basically, at 4.2GHz you're seeing 5C drop under 100% load? (just asking to clarify) With a soldered chip what would be the expected drop? 10C or more?
post #80 of 298
Quote:
Originally Posted by mavere View Post

That's not how it works.
Air cooler heat transfer: CPU > Metal > Air
Liq cooler heat transfer: CPU > Metal > Liquid > Metal > Air
Assuming all else is equal, the air cooler is better because there are less middlemen for transfer inefficiencies. However, things are often not equal because the last portion, the "Metal > Air" part, is usually better in water cooling due to superior radiator placement, total surface area, and number of fans.

except water is better at removing heat then air is. obviously a radiator thats too small to dispate the wattage that the water has absorbed is going to be worse then air cooling. thats a poor arguement for air being better lol.

a propely set up water cooling loop is significantly better for cooling.
Case Labs S3
(12 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770k ASRock Z77E GTX 780Ti Samsung 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
840 EVO Custom Water Win 7 Shimian 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Razer Black Widow Seasonic X660 Case Labs S3 G400 
  hide details  
Reply
Case Labs S3
(12 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770k ASRock Z77E GTX 780Ti Samsung 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
840 EVO Custom Water Win 7 Shimian 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Razer Black Widow Seasonic X660 Case Labs S3 G400 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Intel CPUs
Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel CPUs › [Video Added + Watercooling Results] Replacing the internal IHS TIM of an i7 3770K