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Hi all, I myself have a sandy bridge cpu but for a friend I am thinking of buying some used 1156 / 1366 i7 and using that. I was wondering. Do I need a K cpu to overclock it like with the Sandy Bridge range? Or can I basically oc any i7 of the 1st gen? A link to a guide or something similar would also be great help. i just need some basic information. Because if a 920 and 970 are basically the same cpu except from the clock then I am not going to pay lots for a 975k.

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Hey,
From my knowledge with the LGA 1366 CPU's each model in ascending order has better over clock ability.

Each model in ascending order has a higher multiplier ie; I7-920 = 20, 930 = 21 and so on.

Do you have knowledge or experience in overclocking?
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The i7 970 was a hex core chip of the 32nm Gultown variety. You are thinking of the 975. Regardless although they are technically binned Intel for the past few generations have had very good yields and the differences between the top end parts and the entry level parts have been marginal or non-existent.

The 975X is an unlocked extreme edition part. Overclocking on 1156/1366 was done in the same way that it was traditionally done: through increasing the base clock. All P55 and X58 boards were able to be overclocked. Most i7 parts (except some of the C0 920s) were able to hit 4.0 with Hyperthreading and maybe 4.2 without.

There are lots of them for both Bloomfield (i7 9xx) and Lynnfield (i7 8xx) I suggest you google and find one that is suitable for the motherboard/other components that you have found.

One such guide:

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=20028&mpage=1
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Hey,
From my knowledge with the LGA 1366 CPU's each model in ascending order has better over clock ability.
Each model in ascending order has a higher multiplier ie; I7-920 = 20, 930 = 21 and so on.
Do you have knowledge or experience in overclocking?

i7 920 will do 21x

The only real info you need to know for these chips is that an uneven number on the multiplier always seemed to worked better for overclocking and that they can be hotheads.

Asides that, i7 950 is probably a good aim, make sure you get the right stepping, as the early steppings of CPU's can be less good for overclocking (are also less hot if I recall correctly). Mind you, I think the i7 950 was only made in the proper stepping, but it pays to check.

Though if you happen to find a 970 that's within your price range, I would go with that since it's a 6 core and most likely will clock at least as high, if not higher than the majority of the lower range i7's.
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I have only sb experience. So the multiplyer is fixed then on the non k version.

I would like to get one of the 4c8t cpus and bring it to lets say 3-3,5 depending on the cpu. If I buy a i7-860 or i7-920 can they be overclocked to 3 or 3,2 ghz without having to use a massive cooler?

I always thought that adjusting the baseclock would alter all baseclocks so also the ram clock etc. Maybe that is only with sandy bridge then?

The i7-920 being mostly sold on ebay here. That is why I ask.
 
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It does alter the RAM clock. But you have a few multipliers to play with and different RAM straps. For all intents and purposes much over 200MHz BCLK is not very feasible. The difference is that with the first generation Core processors the base clock was NOT tied with the SATA controller/PCI-e controller and instead this was a separate setting.

Let's say you wanted to get 3.8GHz, the easiest way would be to probably set 19x multiplier and 8x RAM so you get a nice even 3.8GHz CPU clock and 1600MHz RAM. However sometimes you will have to settle with a RAM clock that may be a little lower than what your kit is rated for. An example would be getting 4GHz with a 21 multiplier. You would use 191MHz Base Clock with a 21 multiplier giving you 4011MHz on your CPU; the problem now is you will get a 1528MHz RAM if you use the 8x strap.

With a decent cooler (212+) you should be able to hit at least 3.8GHz with hyper threading on. 3.2 is probably possible on the stock cooler considering these CPUs were ~3GHz stock when accounting for turbo multipliers.

If you are picking up a 920 try and get a D0 stepping. The C0 processors ran very hot and this severely limited the overclocking potential. If you get a 930/950 it should be all clear; all of the Lynnfield (8xx) were about the same regardless of stepping.
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I just got offered an i7-860 with a p7P55 d evo? Not sure if I should get it though.

Thank you very much for the info. I will get a slightly better cooler than standard anyway. It needs to go into a htpc case so I am thinking cm gemini II m4.

The fact I can basically midly oc anyone of them means I can just go for the best deal which is good.
 
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He wanted 210 euros for the set.

I don't get it. Some people want 150 euros for a cpu alone (not the 6-core ones) but I can get a used 2500k for that.

Now I got offered an i5-2300 and thought it was nice. 110 euros used. But I am reading a review now that says the standard speed up is about 20% but the i5-760 can be overclocked nice and good and so get on par with a i5-2300 quite easy and they ca be quite inexpensive on Ebay and such. I keep getting thrown back and forwards in my mind. AMD 6 core - sandy bridge - lga 1156 - lga 1366. uurgh. I just want a decent used setup for my friend that doesn't cost too much money.
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