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I have an old E-Machines computer, Pentium D 805, Micro ATX, 160 GB Hard Drive, Crappy PSU, DDR2, XP. I have upgraded the ram to 2GB from 512mb. Added an extra HDD. And put in a Nvidia 9400GT.

I want a new processor, but the socket is so old, the motherboard needs to be replaced.

1) If I don't need to get Windows, I'm looking at an Eight Core AMD and a new Micro ATX (case only accepts Micro). How much is that going to stall the GPU? Will I still get the full speed of the CPU?

I play some games, put mainly xbox. Every once in a while I'll go on CoD4 or something. I surf the internet everyday and like image editing. Which one is better for me? (Lower core vs. Higher speed or vice versa)

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819106009

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103962

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103961
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micro and 8 cores don't really work together too much heat for what your looking for eather A6 or a A8 would work really well amd you will need a fresh install of os
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Yes you will get the full speed of the cpu and gpu. You likely won't be able to overclock them though.

The links provided simply link to this thread on the forum. At least for me.

As much as you will spend for the 3 things that will need to be upgraded at minimum imo you are better off building a whole new machine for just a bit more. Then you have peace of mind and fresh warranties. I wouldn't trust that PSU one bit, the video card is very low end even for its time. DVD drives are dirt cheap, the hard drives you can probably reuse without any problems. And you will need a new copy of windows either way you do it.
Edited by Tadaen Sylvermane - 5/14/12 at 4:22pm
 
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Originally Posted by Tadaen Sylvermane View Post

Yes you will get the full speed of the cpu and gpu. You likely won't be able to overclock them though.
The links provided simply link to this thread on the forum. At least for me.
As much as you will spend for the 3 things that will need to be upgraded at minimum imo you are better off building a whole new machine for just a bit more. Then you have peace of mind and fresh warranties. I wouldn't trust that PSU one bit, the video card is very low end even for its time. DVD drives are dirt cheap, the hard drives you can probably reuse without any problems. And you will need a new copy of windows either way you do it.

Yeah I am thinking of a brand new setup, but re using the cd drive and Windows until I get more cash (XP isn't tied to the mobo).

I am looking at this:

CPU
Phenom II X4 965

Case
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1636710&sku=U12-41570

Ram
2x2gb Crucial 1333 Ram (will get more once I get Win7 64-bit

PSU
OCZ 600 Watt
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4362114&sku=O261-2017

GPU
9400GT until I get more money for a 460GTX

OS
XP until I get $100 for Win7

HDD's
2 from my PC now

CD Drive
From my computer now until I can afford a black one (mine is grey, can't stand how it would look)
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Hey, for a gaming PC I agree the Phenom should be a faster option than the 8 core FX processors and the 965 is as fast as it gets. I have a few suggestions:
*get a smaller PSU - 600W is complete overkill as your rig even OCed and w/ a 460 won't go much over 300W. Make it safe and get a 430W Earthwatts / Neo Eco and save some $$ for the GPU
*maybe it would be better to get a single 4GB RAM module; you may think a single RAM stick performs worse since it's single-channel memory, but in the real world it counts very little, <5% in any game (if that). The advantage would be you don't fill out your memory slots with small size RAM and you'll be able to upgrade faster to 8-16GB. I find 8GB advisable nowadays and 16GB kinda pointless, but once decent non-console port games will show up 8 GB could be a tight fit.
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Hey, for a gaming PC I agree the Phenom should be a faster option than the 8 core FX processors and the 965 is as fast as it gets. I have a few suggestions:
*get a smaller PSU - 600W is complete overkill as your rig even OCed and w/ a 460 won't go much over 300W. Make it safe and get a 430W Earthwatts / Neo Eco and save some $$ for the GPU
*maybe it would be better to get a single 4GB RAM module; you may think a single RAM stick performs worse since it's single-channel memory, but in the real world it counts very little, <5% in any game (if that). The advantage would be you don't fill out your memory slots with small size RAM and you'll be able to upgrade faster to 8-16GB. I find 8GB advisable nowadays and 16GB kinda pointless, but once decent non-console port games will show up 8 GB could be a tight fit.
Cheers

Thanks, I was going with a single stick and remembered a long time ago someone saying that you need 2 or 4 for it to work properly... Some people say that a 550 or 600 was best for my system, but upon using a PSU calculator, I see what your saying.

With the extra cash, instead of debating between waiting longer and getting a new case or getting it sooner with the same, I can get it sooner with a new case...

Very big help, +Rep for you.

One thing, I need a Mobo that can support an OC'ed 965 (not heavily OC'ed) and is pretty cheap. The cheapest that will last for gaming and a little overclocking.
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... Damn... how unlucky is this...

On newegg it was in stock(Earthwatts), I read the specs, come back, sold out frown.gif

Tiger Direct here I come!

Is there another PSU for the same price range that you reccomend?

This looks good:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045
Edited by The Overclocker - 5/15/12 at 12:40pm
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Since when is there a good mATX am3+ motherboard? I have never seen such an animal..

OK..a couple things i realize you are budget-limited..but..
960T is a better cpu than 965 black
It's looking like you want to re-use your mATX case for an AMD build..don't..break yourself and get a mid-tower from newegg
delivered for $30.An ATX-capable case opens up a lot more options..
Oh I see you have the Ultra X-blaster slated...nm :thumb.gif: I had one of those..sold it :lachen.gif: ..nice case!


I see no motherboard listed..If you don't mind used but good..check these:
http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?cat=1220 Any of the top(more expensive) 3 are good.

The Samsung RAM is very good and not too expensive..8 gb kit for $50 or less
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147094

PSU..don't skimp here..especially if you want to overclock..
I guess the Rosewill green 430 would be OK..but the 530 or 630 would be better biggrin.gif
Edited by Schmuckley - 5/15/12 at 1:14pm
 
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How is this motherboard? Will it work ok with a minor OC? (I'm more concerned with the watts)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135272

I found a cheap PSU on Tiger Direct that looks pretty good.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5079834&pagenumber=1&RSort=1&csid=ITD&recordsPerPage=5&body=REVIEWS#CustomerReviewsBlock

Will it hold up to an OC?

And finally, will the mobo listed and this case support a dual slot GPU like the 460GTX?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1636710&sku=U12-41570
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