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Thanx Joa3 it is nice to see someone that thinks positively rather than someone that shoots their mouth off about something they have no experience with !

Okay, I am not going to state it was a good idea, and I am not trying to debunk your idea either.
I just want to know why you did it. I mean, did you silver plate your block for looks? For performance? Just to be different?
I'm just curious at to the motive of silver plating it, that's all.
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Well, here is the idea I am working on. I would like to delid my CPU and have the block directly on the die. So the water runs into the block, and then around the die. Of course I know that the water alone without an increased surface area, would have poor performance. But if it can take a degree or two off the top is all I am.hoping for.

The main problem is I have to find a TIM that won't disolve in the water since the water will be flowing around the TIM.

Any ideas on what TIM I could use?
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Well, here is the idea I am working on. I would like to delid my CPU and have the block directly on the die. So the water runs into the block, and then around the die. Of course I know that the water alone without an increased surface area, would have poor performance. But if it can take a degree or two off the top is all I am.hoping for.

The main problem is I have to find a TIM that won't disolve in the water since the water will be flowing around the TIM.

Any ideas on what TIM I could use?

"into the block and around the die" doesn't make any sense. Either way, we've already established there's no point in having water come in direct contact with the die. You need to increase the surface area with something that has high thermal conductivity. Copper is 400. Water is .58. Meaning you need 800x the surface area of water to be able to have same heat transfer as copper.
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The block will make contact with the die. The block will increase the surface area for the water. The water will flow just as usual into the block. But the outlet will be on the bottom of the block. So once the water goes throught the block, it then goes under the block and around the die. Then it exists throught a hole on the side.

So I will be cooling just as usual but with the addition of direct cooling around the die. So the TIM will be exposed to water. Hence why I need to figure out a water proof TIM.

Sure water does not cool as well if there is no copper to spread the surface area. But in my case this is not too relevent.
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post #35 of 42
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Okay, I am not going to state it was a good idea, and I am not trying to debunk your idea either.
I just want to know why you did it. I mean, did you silver plate your block for looks? For performance? Just to be different?
I'm just curious at to the motive of silver plating it, that's all.
Not for looks because it will be covered in Armaflex closed cell neoprene. Will be using 6 TEC's with a combined Qmax of 2400 watts, sub-zero temps will be in the - 20 or - 30 C range so silver might gain me 1-3 degrees max. I will take anything I can get ! Motivation is I have never seen another block made to sit directly on the processor die yet. It is always easy for people to sit on the sidelines like sheep watching what others are actually trying, and then putting their 2 cents in without any proof other than someones quote or a technical paper that does not have the same parameters. Your post is to the point and not offensive at all so hence the reply. BTW I bought this 3770 K last April and it has never been run with the IHS . thumb.gif
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Not for looks because it will be covered in Armaflex closed cell neoprene. Will be using 6 TEC's with a combined Qmax of 2400 watts, sub-zero temps will be in the - 20 or - 30 C range so silver might gain me 1-3 degrees max. I will take anything I can get ! Motivation is I have never seen another block made to sit directly on the processor die yet. It is always easy for people to sit on the sidelines like sheep watching what others are actually trying, and then putting their 2 cents in without any proof other than someones quote or a technical paper that does not have the same parameters. Your post is to the point and not offensive at all so hence the reply. BTW I bought this 3770 K last April and it has never been run with the IHS . thumb.gif

Thanx for the reply.
I am considering delidding and direct die/block contact on my next/current build. Some have told me running without the IHS will be difficult. What are the difficltied you would expect?

Some have said the tried without the lid and they put it back on for better temps. Thought that makes no sense to me.

And do you have any suggestions on my delid/block + flow around the die? Do you know of TIM that won't dissolve in the water?
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Okay, I am not going to state it was a good idea, and I am not trying to debunk your idea either.
I just want to know why you did it. I mean, did you silver plate your block for looks? For performance? Just to be different?
I'm just curious at to the motive of silver plating it, that's all.
Not for looks because it will be covered in Armaflex closed cell neoprene. Will be using 6 TEC's with a combined Qmax of 2400 watts, sub-zero temps will be in the - 20 or - 30 C range so silver might gain me 1-3 degrees max. I will take anything I can get ! Motivation is I have never seen another block made to sit directly on the processor die yet. It is always easy for people to sit on the sidelines like sheep watching what others are actually trying, and then putting their 2 cents in without any proof other than someones quote or a technical paper that does not have the same parameters. Your post is to the point and not offensive at all so hence the reply. BTW I bought this 3770 K last April and it has never been run with the IHS . thumb.gif

rolleyes.gif Think before you leap is an expression you really need to learn. I'm trying to help you, because what you're doing is just dumb. 2400 watts in TEC's. Ok cool, you'll have a $300 electric bill every month because of just that and you'll need to use multiple circuits in your house to power it, because a residential breaker is 1800W.

Because you're clearly not interested in actual help or a discussion and have the critical thinking ability of a teenager, you are now blocked.
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rolleyes.gif Think before you leap is an expression you really need to learn. I'm trying to help you, because what you're doing is just dumb. 2400 watts in TEC's. Ok cool, you'll have a $300 electric bill every month because of just that and you'll need to use multiple circuits in your house to power it, because a residential breaker is 1800W.

Because you're clearly not interested in actual help or a discussion and have the critical thinking ability of a teenager, you are now blocked.
Do you truly understand TEC's, I stated 2400 watts Qmax which is its max power output at the max voltage it is rated at. If you were truly interested and asked I would give you specific numbers which are obviously much lower. I do have 2 - 20 amp circuits going to my tables fed by 12 gauge wire. I happen to be a Master plumber. hydronic heating tech , and also am just short of receiving my commercial electricians certificate. Power consumption will be in the 80 -100 dollar a month range but that's OK because it will be a folding rig only and seeing as I earn a decent income I can always cut back on my Starbucks coffee. I'm over 55 and don't need to be insulted and disrespected by you so watch what you say and try to be positive. smile.gif
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Thanx for the reply.
I am considering delidding and direct die/block contact on my next/current build. Some have told me running without the IHS will be difficult. What are the difficltied you would expect?

Some have said the tried without the lid and they put it back on for better temps. Thought that makes no sense to me.

And do you have any suggestions on my delid/block + flow around the die? Do you know of TIM that won't dissolve in the water?
Biggest problem is getting an even pressure on the die without putting too much pressure on the pins, had to originally pull the block on and off 4 -5 times. Kept getting code 55's then reset CMOS and pulled battery out as well, after that it was good and was able to get temps down to 6 -9 C range using 2 of the Tec's in a chiller unit. At that time I just used MX4 and was quite happy with it, would have liked to have used Coolab. but was worried about the long-term effects on the die. Did not quite understand the question about TIM and water, if you could expand on your idea it might help me grasp what you are trying to attain. Cheers cheers.gif
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Did not quite understand the question about TIM and water, if you could expand on your idea it might help me grasp what you are trying to attain. Cheers cheers.gif

Here is a simple way to explain it.
Imagine a normal wayer block directly on the die with water flowing in and out of the block as usual.

But on top of that, I would like water flowing on the PCB and around the edges of the die. This would hopefully pick up some residual heat from the CPU's PCB and from the die too. It won't make a huge difference, maybe a couple of degrees like your silver plated block.

But the main problem I have is direct contact of the TIM with the water as the block/die contact area will be imnersed in water. I fear my idea would not work for long if I can't figure out a way to find a TIM that will not errode and/or dissolve in the water.

Any ideas?
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