Overclock.net › Forums › Graphics Cards › Graphics Cards - General › Why you might want to consider more than 2GB VRAM for lower resolutions
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Why you might want to consider more than 2GB VRAM for lower resolutions - Page 3

post #21 of 56
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DBEAU View Post

Don't be ridiculous. I have a gtx 570 with what 1.2gb of vram and skyrim runs great. I have plenty of mods including HD textures and a heavily modified .ini

At 8xAA, 16xAF, SSAO? Post your *.inis...? I'm telling you, these are the numbers I see.
Quote:
Originally Posted by drbaltazar View Post

op:great info.could you do same but set at 1920x1080p23inch 4x aa since this is what tomhardware use .ty if you can.from your initial setting itt does look like 3 gb is the futur proof normal?

I'd love to, but my monitor is currently 1680x1050. Upgrade to come later. And yes, I'd personally go higher than 2GB for future proofing. Depends how long into the future you want to proof, obviously. And if you do modding. And your resolution. And your preferred settings. Well, you get the point.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aparition View Post

Running 8xMSAA will load the VRam to the max. The more AA you use the more VRam will be used.
You don't "need" 2+ GBs of VRam because you don't "need" 8xMSAA to play a game.

You don't need a discrete video card at all to run a computer. Actually you don't need a computer at all to survive. That is not the point at all. If I want to play at these settings with these mods, it seems I need more than 2GB.
Quote:
Originally Posted by _CH_Skyline_ View Post

Folks, look at the vram usage in the link in my sig. Those measurements are for SURROUND. I would not worry about vram usage for a single display. If you've got a 1.5-2GB+ card, you'll be fine for a while.

You'll be fine with 2GB if you are okay with turning down AA, SSAO and stay off some of the higher resolution texture packs. That is obvious, but the point is that it is perfectly possible to use more than 2GB, so some people will want to consider it based on their needs.
post #22 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oystein View Post

You'll be fine with 2GB if you are okay with turning down AA, SSAO and stay off some of the higher resolution texture packs. That is obvious, but the point is that it is perfectly possible to use more than 2GB, so some people will want to consider it based on their needs.

Turn AA down, what you mean from 16x to 8x, where there are differences most cant even spot , and the same goes for 8x to 4x. 4x is really all you'd want without wasting tons of power on making jugs/apples/chickens looks sharper. 16x/16x is bordering on useless, as well s 8x/8x IMO. plus what are your options? most card are coming with 2gb vram, should you just completely ignore all the amazing 2gb cards out there because 16xaa may not run well? i know we are all about going all out here on OCN, but now suggesting 2.5gb+ VRAM for gpu's, especially for 1080p, is silly
Edited by DaXxJaPxX - 5/14/12 at 11:49am
Rising Sun
(19 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
|i5 2500k 4.8ghz @1.335v| |Asrock Fatal1ty P67 Professional| |XFX 6990| |XFX 6950 unlocked to 6970| 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
|Samsung DDR3 4x4GB 2133 10-10-10-28-1t| |Crucial 64GB M4 SSD x 2| |Samsung 830 128GB| |Lite-On 4x Blu Ray| 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
|Koolance CPU 370| |Koolance VID-AR699| |Koolance VID-AR697| |Win 7 64bit Pro| 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
|U2711| |2x KBC Pokers MX Red| |Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 1200w| |NZXT Phantom 820| 
MouseMouse PadAudio
|Mionix Naos 5000| |Artisan Hien M Hard Red| |X-Fi Fatal1ty Titanium| 
  hide details  
Reply
Rising Sun
(19 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
|i5 2500k 4.8ghz @1.335v| |Asrock Fatal1ty P67 Professional| |XFX 6990| |XFX 6950 unlocked to 6970| 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
|Samsung DDR3 4x4GB 2133 10-10-10-28-1t| |Crucial 64GB M4 SSD x 2| |Samsung 830 128GB| |Lite-On 4x Blu Ray| 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
|Koolance CPU 370| |Koolance VID-AR699| |Koolance VID-AR697| |Win 7 64bit Pro| 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
|U2711| |2x KBC Pokers MX Red| |Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 1200w| |NZXT Phantom 820| 
MouseMouse PadAudio
|Mionix Naos 5000| |Artisan Hien M Hard Red| |X-Fi Fatal1ty Titanium| 
  hide details  
Reply
post #23 of 56
sadly if there is one thing in the past i learned(since 1985)ram of any kind is always the first thing we ll wish we had more.ill rely to past experience and buy max single gpu max vram avail.sappire toxic 7970 6gb seems to be IT?
post #24 of 56
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaXxJaPxX View Post

Turn AA down, what you mean from 16x to 8x, where there are differences most cant even spot , and the same goes for 8x to 4x. 4x is really all you'd want without wasting tons of power on making jugs/apples/chickens looks sharper. 16x/16x is bordering on useless, as well s 8x/8x IMO. plus what are your options? most card are coming with 2gb vram, should you just completely ignore all the amazing 2gb cards out there because 16xaa may not run well? i know we are all about going all out here on OCN, but now suggesting 2.5gb+ VRAM for gpu's, especially for 1080p, is silly

You may not see any difference between 4x and 8x AA and AF in the games you play at your monitor, but I see the difference very clearly on mine.

Please do not mistake this thread for being a "YOU NEED 4GB OF VRAM NOW!!"-thread. I'm just putting out the data, it is up to each individual to decide if they think they might want more than 2GB. I think I do.
post #25 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oystein View Post

You may not see any difference between 4x and 8x AA and AF in the games you play at your monitor, but I see the difference very clearly on mine.
Please do not mistake this thread for being a "YOU NEED 4GB OF VRAM NOW!!"-thread. I'm just putting out the data, it is up to each individual to decide if they think they might want more than 2GB. I think I do.

You are correct, there is a major difference between 8x and 32xCSAA even...

BFBC2 shows this hugely, i use a 21.5" 1080p screen, and yet i see clear differences.

Vram usage is almost always incorrect for the most part, most games cache the textures into the frame buffer, making newcomers think it is using all of their memory.
It is just a more efficient use of the framebuffer.
PROGENITOR
(17 items)
 
Emulator Box
(17 items)
 
The contender
(15 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 4770k Gigabyte GA-Z87X-OC Gigabyte Windforce 780Ti 3072mb Gigabyte Windforce 780Ti 3072mb 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
16GB Avexir Orange 2133mhz 1TB Crucial M550 2TB Seagate Barracuda 7200 LG BDR/DVDR 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
OCUK Fathom with HW Labs Black Ice 240 rad Mayhem's Gigabyte Orange 8.1 64 OEM Dell U2713HM 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky DK-9008 Shine III MX Brown Superflower Leadex 1000w Platinum Black NZXT Switch 810 Logitech G602 
Audio
SoundBlaster Z PCI-E 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX 8320 Vishera ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0 Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X 4096MB Avexir Blitz 2000mhz 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
1TB Hitachi Deskstar + 500GB Hitachi Deskstar 7... Samsung DVDR/CDR Noctua NH-U12P windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorPowerCase
AOC 22" LED 1920x1080 SuperFlower Golden Green HX 550W 80 Plus Gold Xigmatek Utguard 
  hide details  
Reply
PROGENITOR
(17 items)
 
Emulator Box
(17 items)
 
The contender
(15 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 4770k Gigabyte GA-Z87X-OC Gigabyte Windforce 780Ti 3072mb Gigabyte Windforce 780Ti 3072mb 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
16GB Avexir Orange 2133mhz 1TB Crucial M550 2TB Seagate Barracuda 7200 LG BDR/DVDR 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
OCUK Fathom with HW Labs Black Ice 240 rad Mayhem's Gigabyte Orange 8.1 64 OEM Dell U2713HM 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky DK-9008 Shine III MX Brown Superflower Leadex 1000w Platinum Black NZXT Switch 810 Logitech G602 
Audio
SoundBlaster Z PCI-E 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX 8320 Vishera ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0 Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X 4096MB Avexir Blitz 2000mhz 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
1TB Hitachi Deskstar + 500GB Hitachi Deskstar 7... Samsung DVDR/CDR Noctua NH-U12P windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorPowerCase
AOC 22" LED 1920x1080 SuperFlower Golden Green HX 550W 80 Plus Gold Xigmatek Utguard 
  hide details  
Reply
post #26 of 56
Thread Starter 
VRAM usage is correct, although the game might still be able to run while using less of it. Maybe with a performance hit, maybe not. I'd love to have a 2GB card so I could tell you how that works out for Skyrim, but I haven't.

In any case, when games show up as using 2.6GB of VRAM today, what is the requirement for maxing out games tomorrow? I just know I'd not feel future proof with 2GB.
post #27 of 56
This has been discissed many times. These programs such as msi afterburner don't accurately depict actual memory usage.
My System
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-2600k @ 4.6ghz Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H Zotac GTX 970 w/ Heatkiller 16GB G.Skill Ares (2133) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 830 256GB Samsung 840 500GB XSPC Raystorm / RX240 / UT60 / D5 W7 Home Premium 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
X-Star DP2710 1440p CM Quickfire TK (browns) Seasonic X-660 NZXT Switch 810 
MouseAudioAudio
Zowie ec1 evo Creative Soundblaster Z Sennheiser HD558 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-2600k @ 4.6ghz Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H Zotac GTX 970 w/ Heatkiller 16GB G.Skill Ares (2133) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 830 256GB Samsung 840 500GB XSPC Raystorm / RX240 / UT60 / D5 W7 Home Premium 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
X-Star DP2710 1440p CM Quickfire TK (browns) Seasonic X-660 NZXT Switch 810 
MouseAudioAudio
Zowie ec1 evo Creative Soundblaster Z Sennheiser HD558 
  hide details  
Reply
post #28 of 56
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DBEAU View Post

This has been discissed many times. These programs such as msi afterburner don't accurately depict actual memory usage.

This discussion must have eluded me. What is it that is inaccurate about the measurement?

When I used my GTX 260, EVGA Precision X seemed more than accurate enough at the VRAM limit. Usage hit card's max, and soon after FPS plummeted.
post #29 of 56
I'm really glad I saw this thread because I have been wondering this exact same thing about modded Skyrim. I was thinking about buying a 670 2GB soon (currently running a 460 1GB and it just isn't enough, even with the light version of the 2k texture pack). Is there anyone who recently ordered/has a 670 2GB that mods skyrim a lot who can share some insight into this?
My Rig
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7 3770k P8Z68-V GEN3 MSI GeForce GTX 670 Power Edition Gigabyte GTX 670 Windforce X3 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
G. Skill Ripjaws X Corsair Force Series 3 Seagate Barracuda 1TB Seagate Barracuda 1TB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 128GB ASUS DVD Burner Corsair H100 Microsoft Windows 8 Professional 
MonitorMonitorPowerCase
Samsung EX2220 21.5" 1920x1080 Acer 21.5" 1920x1080 Corsair HX750 NZXT Tempest 410 Elite 
  hide details  
Reply
My Rig
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7 3770k P8Z68-V GEN3 MSI GeForce GTX 670 Power Edition Gigabyte GTX 670 Windforce X3 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
G. Skill Ripjaws X Corsair Force Series 3 Seagate Barracuda 1TB Seagate Barracuda 1TB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 128GB ASUS DVD Burner Corsair H100 Microsoft Windows 8 Professional 
MonitorMonitorPowerCase
Samsung EX2220 21.5" 1920x1080 Acer 21.5" 1920x1080 Corsair HX750 NZXT Tempest 410 Elite 
  hide details  
Reply
post #30 of 56
Hi guys,

So if i currently have a 1680x1020 monitor (MAY upgrade to a 1920 res. monitor in a yr or 2)

and play mainly starcraft 2, dota 2 (currently betaing), and diablo 3

how does my build look?

Case: Corsair 600T
CPU : i5 3570K 3.40 GHz (OC to 4.0ghz approx)
Mobo : ASUS P8Z77-V LX (not planning to SLI)
Mem: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Corsair Vengeance
SSD: Intel 520 120gb
HD: 1 TB regular harddrive
random DVD RW
Radeon HD 7850 2GB
Corsair A50 120mm Fan heatsink
600w Corsair GS

1. My question is, 7850 will be ok with the 600w, but if i were to go 560 TI OC, will it exceeed 600w?

2. Also if i were to do replace my 7850 with a better card 2 yrs down the road, will 600w cutting it?

3. How easy is it to swap power supply?

thanks guys!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Graphics Cards - General
Overclock.net › Forums › Graphics Cards › Graphics Cards - General › Why you might want to consider more than 2GB VRAM for lower resolutions