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I plan on moving Houston, chances are that I could land a good job in Dallas also, so this is indeed good news for me. tongue.gif
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Advocates for high-speed rail in Texas say the state’s first bullet train could connect Houston with Dallas-Fort Worth as early as 2020, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported.

A group including former Harris County Judge Robert Eckels, now president of Texas Central Railway, and representatives from Central Japan Railway Co. met Wednesday in Arlington to discuss plans to raise $10 billion from private investors to fund the project, which would allow passengers to travel between the two cities at 200 mph, the newspaper said.

“We’re in the process of doing the route studies, the environmental work, pooling the engineering work to determine the best route between Houston and Dallas,” Eckles said in the story. “It is a highly capital-intensive project, but we believe it is commercially viable. We are not looking for operational subsidies from the state or federal government.”

Houston’s Rep. Shelia Jackson Lee has rallied for support for high-speed rail and sought $15 million from the U.S. Department of Transportation to fund a route between Houston and Dallas. Last month, Jackson Lee announced Japanese and South Korean officials were interested in teaming up on a potential project. There are still skeptics, of course.

Jackson Lee has pledged to push for federal funding for high-speed rail in 2013.

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This is not a government project. Read the article sourced or the one I just quoted.
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Even if a train can do 200mph, I'm highly guessing its average speed will only be 60mph tops...

You can do the math yourself. If it takes 10 miles to accelerate and decelerate (just an example), with a top speed of 220 mph, per the article, the average speed over the 250 mile trip is just over 200 mph.
    
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government funded or not, it still has to be approved by the local and state governments no matter how much money you have.

there are tons of local/state permits, proposals, planning, etc, and would STILL have to pass public vote if enough support calls for a vote. And would still be subject to local and state transportation laws and regulations. Many states and cities have regulations on the speed trains can travel in rual areas. The train would only be allowed to reach its max speed at very open and remote stretches of the track. and trains have to be within a certain speed limit when in a certain distance of crossings, and lots of rual train crossings don't have crossing guards in texas, as soon as a few teens are nailed by a 200mph train, its game over for them.

But of course, if you 'donate' enough money to a city, they will be willing to adjust the laws and allow special permits to be made. But still... Not to mention, the path they can take, basically they would need to buy or lease the land the track is on, which may/may not be a problem.
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You can do the math yourself. If it takes 10 miles to accelerate and decelerate (just an example), with a top speed of 220 mph, per the article, the average speed over the 250 mile trip is just over 200 mph.

assuming the train is allowed to travel at max speed, and only has 2 stops ( DFW and Houston)
not to mention that the train would need to slow down during turns ( unless its a very sweeping wide turn )

( see my post above this regaruding local laws and trains )
Edited by Jixr - 5/14/12 at 10:51am
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assuming the train is allowed to travel at max speed, and only has 2 stops ( DFW and Houston)
not to mention that the train would need to slow down during turns ( unless its a very sweeping wide turn )
( see my post above this regaruding local laws and trains )

Fair enough. Even so, 60 is quite an underestimation. If I factor in another stop with 50 mph/5 mile accel. and decel. increments and lower the max speed to 100, that's still an average of 96 over the entire trip.
    
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government funded or not, it still has to be approved by the local and state governments no matter how much money you have.
there are tons of local/state permits, proposals, planning, etc, and would STILL have to pass public vote if enough support calls for a vote. And would still be subject to local and state transportation laws and regulations. Many states and cities have regulations on the speed trains can travel in rual areas. The train would only be allowed to reach its max speed at very open and remote stretches of the track. and trains have to be within a certain speed limit when in a certain distance of crossings, and lots of rual train crossings don't have crossing guards in texas, as soon as a few teens are nailed by a 200mph train, its game over for them.
But of course, if you 'donate' enough money to a city, they will be willing to adjust the laws and allow special permits to be made. But still... Not to mention, the path they can take, basically they would need to buy or lease the land the track is on, which may/may not be a problem.
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Your point seems a little obfuscated. Are yoiu arguing that the government would intentionally hold this project up with bureaucracy or that it is a bad investment?
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Your point seems a little obfuscated. Are yoiu arguing that the government would intentionally hold this project up with bureaucracy or that it is a bad investment?

My understanding is that they were implying that it would still be subject to all of the transportation regulations, regardless of where the money comes from. Nothing to do with sandbagging a privately-funded project.
    
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Fair enough. Even so, 60 is quite an underestimation. If I factor in another stop with 50 mph/5 mile accel. and decel. increments and lower the max speed to 100, that's still an average of 96 over the entire trip.

commuter trains STILL have to abide by certain laws, such as I stated above about having to maintain a certain speed at railroad crossings and in urban areas. and Commuter trans are subject to stricter laws than cargo trains.

also, you need to factor in the time it takes to load/unload at each stop, and the most logical and profitable route would be houston-austin-RR/georgetown-temple-Waco-Hillsburro-DFW assuming you skip all the small towns inbetween.

And from houston to DFW is roughly a 6 hour drive, depending on what part of houston and DFW you are going to, and the train would probably have at least a 15min stop at each stop for loading/unloading, etc.

If you want me to go on and on about the laws, I can.

Out in McGreggor Texas, there is a Cross with My brothers name on it, and a matching one with his best friends name on it. My brothers friends family sued the railroad commission and won because the train operator failed to follow the set laws and regulations of the Texas railway system (which the bullet train would also have to abide by)
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My understanding is that they were implying that it would still be subject to all of the transportation regulations, regardless of where the money comes from. Nothing to do with sandbagging a privately-funded project.

^ this.


My whole argument here is that 1. The train will not be able to go at its top speed for the whole trip, and only in short burst. 2. It must abide by the local and state laws about train travel ( same rules AmTrack has to follow ) 3. It will still take several hours to travel from houston to dfw by train. 4. it will not be a direct route.

Also, the Souce is very very biased, Its all coming from the guy who is seeking investors, If I was asking people to give me money, I would tell them all the good things while hiding the bad stuff as well.
Also, even at a direct route with only 2 stops ( houston / dfw ) the ticket prices would be insane, where it would be much cheaper to drive or fly.

Think of it this way, You can buy your Ferarri ( bullet train ) that can do 200mph with your own money ( private investors) , but you still have to abide by local and state laws ( speed limits / TxDOT train transportation regulations ) and also, in your car, you will need to stop for gas ( people ) every once in a while, not to mention, gas stations (train stations) are going to be easily found along the most populated cities along your route, vs BFE east texas.


But don't get me wrong, I would love to take a train to DFW, its just impractical to think I will be doing it at 200mph, or that the travel time will be less than it takes to hop in my car and drive.
Edited by Jixr - 5/14/12 at 11:23am
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