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Why are we bringing breast implants into this?

Bcos I'm not a native English speaker ? You know what I mean with "silicone" though wink.gif I'm interested in boobs as well ofc but as this is Intel thread then this is not what pops into my mind first in here when hearing "silicone" here tongue.gif
You're not the only one to have said it though tongue.gif

I still don't think they realize it is supposed to be "silicon". By his response, it sounds like he thinks they are the same word, with differing meanings depending on the context, i.e. Homonym. Eh, we all knew what they meant though, really doesn't matter I suppose. I laugh everytime I read someone calling it by that name though.
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Jeezes, what's the point of having produced Ivy Bridge if you're gonna go with something else the next year...
I think that Intel will make an enemy of itself, just like MS has. Windows 7 is already so good that you don't really need Windows 8. If you already have an IB or SB-E, you won't even need 10nm or whatever size... IB and SB-E are already so immensely fast they'll last you half a decade...
 
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I still don't think they realize it is supposed to be "silicon". By his response, it sounds like he thinks they are the same word, with differing meanings depending on the context, i.e. Homonym. Eh, we all knew what they meant though, really doesn't matter I suppose. I laugh everytime I read someone calling it by that name though.

Its easy to mix up as in English there is only letter difference, especially if you are not a native speaker and can assume that this "e" letter in the end is supposed to be there for some odd grammatical reason. In Estonian its "Räni" and "Silikoon" so the difference between the two is larger. Estonian language whole logic is quite different as well, for a start there is no sex and no future in Estonian, as we like to describe it half jokingly sometimes wink.gif
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Jeezes, what's the point of having produced Ivy Bridge if you're gonna go with something else the next year...
I think that Intel will make an enemy of itself, just like MS has. Windows 7 is already so good that you don't really need Windows 8. If you already have an IB or SB-E, you won't even need 10nm or whatever size... IB and SB-E are already so immensely fast they'll last you half a decade...

Intel obviously doesn't think that everyone is going to buy every generation of products. (IB wasn't aimed at SB users etc.) They're bringing out better products because they can, and will make more money by doing so, while staying ahead of the competition.
 
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Jeezes, what's the point of having produced Ivy Bridge if you're gonna go with something else the next year...
I think that Intel will make an enemy of itself, just like MS has. Windows 7 is already so good that you don't really need Windows 8. If you already have an IB or SB-E, you won't even need 10nm or whatever size... IB and SB-E are already so immensely fast they'll last you half a decade...

are you trolling or just plain dumb? you are basically saying that technology should not advance anymore, why is that?
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Intel obviously doesn't think that everyone is going to buy every generation of products. (IB wasn't aimed at SB users etc.) They're bringing out better products because they can, and will make more money by doing so, while staying ahead of the competition.

Hmm, I suppose you're right.
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are you trolling or just plain dumb? you are basically saying that technology should not advance anymore, why is that?

I think you know better than to call me a troll or dumb. And no, I'm not saying that technology shouldn't advance anymore. If I did, I'd say it literally like that, which I didn't.
It just seems to me that if you build product A and it's great, and immediately after that you create pruduct B without taking a breath to evaluate the sale of product A, then what was the point of product A?
 
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Make them faster? Everyone seems to forget we have a whole other path to go down still. Even if they hit a wall for shrinking somewhere between 10-5nm, they can come up with something that would allow much faster switching of transistors, as in faster clocks/more IPS. Everyone is quick to dismiss faster clocks probably due to the whole P4 debacle. Given an impending dead end for shrinking, you can bet they are looking into ways to improve IPS, whether it be faster clocks or IPC. Just throwing out graphene because it is widely known already. Apparently it can increase the transistors switching speeds by an order of magnitude compared to current method's. Not saying it will be used, just given an example of a whole other path to think about.
If we can't shrink the transistor to allow more in the same space and power envelope or find any other method of adding more transistors(stacking, etc), then the logical choice would be to increase the rate at which they can switch on and off and/or increase how many instructions can be executed with each on/off cycle. I'm sure given enough money and time spent, they can find a way to increase clock speeds, IPC or whatever it takes to increase IPS overall. They don't do it now, because it is easier and much cheaper to just do the same tried and true shrink, pack more in strategy. I could be completely wrong, they may come up with something new that we would never think of. I'm just thinking of, what seems to me, the most logical way to go once we reach the shrink limit....speed those things up!
This is basically requiring new techniques and/or new materials for faster switching transistors that do not leak as much.

However, no matter what increasing clock speed leads to exponential increases in energy.

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Intel obviously doesn't think that everyone is going to buy every generation of products. (IB wasn't aimed at SB users etc.) They're bringing out better products because they can, and will make more money by doing so, while staying ahead of the competition.
....Servers. There enough of them in most large companies that they do buy hundreds of products every generation.
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Intel X25-M 160GB + 3xRAID0 500GB 7200.12 Window 7 Pro 64 Acer H243H + Samsung 226BW XARMOR-U9BL  
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....Servers. There enough of them in most large companies that they do buy hundreds of products every generation.

Good point, didn't think of the server market for some reason.
 
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[i7 5960X @ 4.8GHz] [Rampage V Extreme] [Titan 1400MHz (1500MHz bench)] [Various] 
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[Crossover 27Q LED-P 1440p+ASUS 1200p+LG 1080p] [Corsair AX1200] [Dimastech Easy v3.0] [Sennheiser HD558s] 
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FX 8320, FX 8350, Phenom II x2 555BE i7 3930K, i7 860, i7 4770K, 68x Celeron D CVF, commando, 2x RIVE, Z87X-OC Asus 4870x2, Sapphire 4870 
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[i7 5960X @ 4.8GHz] [Rampage V Extreme] [Titan 1400MHz (1500MHz bench)] [Various] 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
[250GB 840EVO +2x SpinpointF3 1TB RAID0] [LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change] [XSPC X2O 750 pump/res] [Monsta 360 full copper + EK XT 360 + XT 240] 
MonitorPowerCaseAudio
[Crossover 27Q LED-P 1440p+ASUS 1200p+LG 1080p] [Corsair AX1200] [Dimastech Easy v3.0] [Sennheiser HD558s] 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
FX 8320, FX 8350, Phenom II x2 555BE i7 3930K, i7 860, i7 4770K, 68x Celeron D CVF, commando, 2x RIVE, Z87X-OC Asus 4870x2, Sapphire 4870 
GraphicsGraphicsGraphicsGraphics
2x 5870, 5850, 5830, 5770 2x 3870x2, 3870 GTX Titan, GTX 480, GTX 590 GTX 285, GTX 260, 4x 9800GT, 8800GTX 
RAMHard DriveCoolingCooling
4x4GB vengeance, 2x4GB predatorX, 2x1GB OCZ DDR2 Intel X25-M 80GB LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change OCN Marksman 
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