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This is likely a risk with just about any research reactor. I know of two in populated areas (LEU though with one, if not both)...most university research reactors are on-site or nearby. Most are below the 'enriched' designation of 20% U-235, though.
This is correct. 3.5 lbs is pretty tiny. Has anyone tried to lift a plate of DU before? Their atomic mass is such that is takes very little quantity to reach 3.5 lbs.

3.5 lbs of feathers weights the same that 3.5lbs Uranium, just saying. biggrin.gif
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They say this:
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Nobody really knows. Kodak officials now admit that they never made any public announcement about it. In fact, nobody in the city—officials, police or firemen—or in the state of New York or anywhere else knew about it until it was recently leaked by an ex-employee.

But then they say this:
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Its existence and whereabouts were purposely kept vague and only a few engineers and Federal employees really knew about the project.

So...someone DID know about it, outside of Kodak. I hate this sort of sensationalist crap. The people who needed to know about it knew about it. It only makes sense to prevent ignorance-induced panic by not advertising you have a few pounds of radioactive material in a bunker.
    
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could be for testing optical instruments against radiation for use in space
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For all of you that think this is a big deal, read further to see that it is not a big deal:

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/nuclear-fission-basics.html

and then:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass#Critical_mass_of_a_bare_sphere

Troll media is trolling.

Most likely a research reactor or possibly used for radiactive photos sort of like X-rays? 3.5kg vs 52kg seems like a pretty important difference.

EDIT: Also this mass was most likely tiny, if 3.5 KG is~6.7% of 52kg, and the diameter of a sphere at 52kg is 17cm, that means if this was a sphere, it would have been 1.14cm in diameter. Assuming that it was a sphere and not some other shape. All this thing could do is put off some localized radiation. Hell a tarp of lead would be enough to make it harmless.
Edited by Weasel555 - 5/14/12 at 11:59am
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There are a few subcritical research reactors. Canada has (had?) one at Chalk River, and there are a few I've heard of in the USA. As noted above, you can run nuclear reactors in a purposely sub-critical mode in which you need a continuous supply of neutrons to initiate fission reactions; if the neutrons go away, the reactor shuts down.
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Kodak's purpose for the reactor wasn't sinister: they used it to check materials for impurities as well as neutron radiography testing. The reactor, a Californium Neutron Flux multiplier (CFX) was acquired in 1974 and loaded with three and a half pounds of enriched uranium plates placed around a californium-252 core.

This is definitely legit. Radiation fogs photographic films, so one use of this could be to test how "hard" film could be made against radiation.

As for impurity testing, that's standard neutron activation analysis stuff. I could probably do it in my sleep if I needed to do a qualitative check, by looking at the delayed gamma rays following activation (different isotopes will have different decay products and the gamma lines can usually be uniquely assigned since you're looking for the strong ones, not weak ones.
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Most likely a research reactor or possibly used for radiactive photos sort of like X-rays? 3.5kg vs 52kg seems like a pretty important difference.
It was a research reactor. Most research reactors decades ago used HEU. Only in the past while have they mostly been transitioned to LEU, and even then, not all of them. This is not a big deal to anyone with some knowledge of these things. I've visited one research reactor a few times, and spent a great deal of time around (and standing next to) another one. It is interesting though, to me, since I'm fairly ignorant of reactor designs outside of LWR/HWR's and graphite and some newer designs.

The NRC had to inspect this, I would think, so that's probably part of those 'federal officials' who knew about it.
    
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They say this:
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Nobody really knows. Kodak officials now admit that they never made any public announcement about it. In fact, nobody in the city—officials, police or firemen—or in the state of New York or anywhere else knew about it until it was recently leaked by an ex-employee.
But then they say this:
Quote:
Its existence and whereabouts were purposely kept vague and only a few engineers and Federal employees really knew about the project.
So...someone DID know about it, outside of Kodak. I hate this sort of sensationalist crap. The people who needed to know about it knew about it. It only makes sense to prevent ignorance-induced panic by not advertising you have a few pounds of radioactive material in a bunker.

This.
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It was a research reactor. Most research reactors decades ago used HEU. Only in the past while have they mostly been transitioned to LEU, and even then, not all of them. This is not a big deal to anyone with some knowledge of these things. I've visited one research reactor a few times, and spent a great deal of time around (and standing next to) another one. It is interesting though, to me, since I'm fairly ignorant of reactor designs outside of LWR/HWR's and graphite and some newer designs.
The NRC had to inspect this, I would think, so that's probably part of those 'federal officials' who knew about it.

Not only that but, to those of you calling Kodak irresponsible...You do realize that in the 1970's when this was acquired, that area wasn't very populated, if at all.

If anyone is responsible for endangering //ANYONE// it's the US gov't who knew full well it was there and allowed people to populate the area surrounding the facility.

Just sayin.
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My dad told us about this awhile ago. My family all used to work there and they said during the wars or in peace time they had alot of "hands on" with nuclear stuff.
Edited by ChrisB17 - 5/14/12 at 12:14pm
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My dad told us about this awhile ago. My family all used to work there and they said during the wars or in peace time they had alot of "hands on" with nuclear stuff.
So was this a 'known secret' to a fair number of people in the area or just to people who had family who worked there, ya think?
    
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