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5/14/12 at 11:05am
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So, I've decided to give Linux another go. I gave it a solid 30 hours over the course of a week about 2 years ago (maybe more recent than that), but it's time to try another one again.

Based on what I've been reading, Ubuntu is the simplest to get up and running, and I think that's what I need until I get acclimated. However, I'm noticing on the Ubuntu site that there's a window install that installs Linux on the same drive as Windows and adds the option of which to boot to when you restart... Should I be using that? I have a spare 320gb Seagate drive I was just going to use for some Distro goodness...

Let me know! And if you think there's a distro I should check out rather than Ubuntu for some noob Linux use, please let me know that too!
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5/14/12 at 11:20am
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Myself and plenty others would advice to stay AWAY from the WUBI installer, it's caused nothing but headaches for many people. Make your life easier and just go through a normal install and install it on a separate partition ( ~15-20 GB should be more than enough unless you plan to store a lot of files on the partition ) and you will be good to go.

If GRUB doesn't detect Windows right away then simply install os-prober and then run sudo update-grub and it will then detect the Windows partition and allow you to dual boot.
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5/14/12 at 11:25am
I would remove your Windows drive and install to the Seagate. Then just pick which to boot from. I've had issues with Linux and Windows fighting with boot loaders.

Other than that, Ubutntu is always solid. Linux Mint is a bit behind Ubuntu (as it is based on it) but comes with more codecs and other such things people expect from a full OS. Have fun and let me know how it goes. I used Linux as my main OS for at least half a year and it was fun but in the end Windows 7 won me back. :3
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5/14/12 at 11:26am
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Myself and plenty others would advice to stay AWAY from the WUBI installer, it's caused nothing but headaches for many people. Make your life easier and just go through a normal install and install it on a separate partition ( ~15-20 GB should be more than enough unless you plan to store a lot of files on the partition ) and you will be good to go.

If GRUB doesn't detect Windows right away then simply install os-prober and then run sudo update-grub and it will then detect the Windows partition and allow you to dual boot.

That last section was gibberish. I'll do a standard install on that 320GB drive (that's all the drive is for, playing around). I'll work on that next section... next. tongue.gif

Hopefully back in a bit on Linux!

EDIT: Remove my SSD you say, Fisheh?
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5/14/12 at 11:29am
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I would remove your Windows drive and install to the Seagate. Then just pick which to boot from. I've had issues with Linux and Windows fighting with boot loaders.

Shouldn't need to. GRUB will overwrite the Windows Boot Loader on the MBR and you'll be good to go. No reason to have 2. And to get it back it's as simple as booting windows and running bootrec /fixmbr , bootrec /fixboot , bootrec /rebuildbcd and you'd be back to normal with the Windows Boot Loader on the MBR again.
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5/14/12 at 11:42am
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That last section was gibberish. I'll do a standard install on that 320GB drive (that's all the drive is for, playing around). I'll work on that next section... next. tongue.gif
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EDIT: Remove my SSD you say, Fisheh?

I would. Whenever you do anything that is formatting drives it is best to remove anything that you wouldn't want to lose. Also, by removing it you can be sure to have two completely separate installs with its own boot loader (which is my preferences).
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Shouldn't need to. GRUB will overwrite the Windows Boot Loader on the MBR and you'll be good to go. No reason to have 2. And to get it back it's as simple as booting windows and running bootrec /fixmbr , bootrec /fixboot , bootrec /rebuildbcd and you'd be back to normal with the Windows Boot Loader on the MBR again.

Right. I know how it is supposed to work, lol, but I've had issues in the past. Just like the WUBI installer. Should work fine in theory...

But you are right, GRUB can handle both. I just prefer to have a single boot loader for each OS type.
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5/14/12 at 11:49am
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That last section was gibberish. I'll do a standard install on that 320GB drive (that's all the drive is for, playing around). I'll work on that next section... next. tongue.gif
Hopefully back in a bit on Linux!
EDIT: Remove my SSD you say, Fisheh?

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Shouldn't need to. GRUB will overwrite the Windows Boot Loader on the MBR and you'll be good to go. No reason to have 2. And to get it back it's as simple as booting windows and running bootrec /fixmbr , bootrec /fixboot , bootrec /rebuildbcd and you'd be back to normal with the Windows Boot Loader on the MBR again.

Right. I know how it is supposed to work, lol, but I've had issues in the past. Just like the WUBI installer. Should work fine in theory...

But you are right, GRUB can handle both. I just prefer to have a single boot loader for each OS type.

Can I just disable that SATA slot in BIOS (which mine does I believe) rather than opening my tower for the 500th time in the last 3 days to pull a plug?
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So, I've decided to give Linux another go. I gave it a solid 30 hours over the course of a week about 2 years ago (maybe more recent than that), but it's time to try another one again.

Based on what I've been reading, Ubuntu is the simplest to get up and running, and I think that's what I need until I get acclimated. However, I'm noticing on the Ubuntu site that there's a window install that installs Linux on the same drive as Windows and adds the option of which to boot to when you restart... Should I be using that? I have a spare 320gb Seagate drive I was just going to use for some Distro goodness...

Let me know! And if you think there's a distro I should check out rather than Ubuntu for some noob Linux use, please let me know that too!

i think mint is much better for beginners then ubuntu. same packages mainly (mint has ubuntu + some) and its gnome 3 is setup right away closer to the windows interface. very easy to get used to.
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So, I've decided to give Linux another go. I gave it a solid 30 hours over the course of a week about 2 years ago (maybe more recent than that), but it's time to try another one again.

Based on what I've been reading, Ubuntu is the simplest to get up and running, and I think that's what I need until I get acclimated. However, I'm noticing on the Ubuntu site that there's a window install that installs Linux on the same drive as Windows and adds the option of which to boot to when you restart... Should I be using that? I have a spare 320gb Seagate drive I was just going to use for some Distro goodness...

Let me know! And if you think there's a distro I should check out rather than Ubuntu for some noob Linux use, please let me know that too!

i think mint is much better for beginners then ubuntu. same packages mainly (mint has ubuntu + some) and its gnome 3 is setup right away closer to the windows interface. very easy to get used to.

Different interface is ok. If anything, it might be a bit refreshing. The toughest problem I had a while back was just getting it set up and running correctly. I had non-stop issues, and after 30 hours of battling, I realized I was more stressed than ever and got rid of it. Figured with Linux's constantly updated and changing environment, it may be time to give it another shot. Without having games readily available all the time in Linux, maybe I'll put more effort into teaching myself that C++ I've been working on

I'm going to give disabling Hard drives in BIOS a shot and see if it works. For all intents and purposes, that may have been the issue I had last time I installed Linux and my hard drives were disappearing and couldn't access any files on FAT32 or NTFS file systems from Linux... maybe some boot record problems messed stuff up, who knows. It was quite the process to get everything fixed and working again correctly when I gave up on Linux that go around. tongue.gif

OK... hopefully be back in a bit smile.gif

EDIT AGAIN: Do I need 32 bit or 64 bit? I know 32 bit for windows allows the additional RAM and yadda yadda... I downloaded the 64 bit but its named amd64? Is that simply because AMD developed the 64 bit thing?
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HAF 932 Advanced Razer Deathadder QcK Mini 
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Crucial C300 Spinpoint F3 Caviar Black ASUS DVD-RW 
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