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2012 TC Changes Discussion #2 - Moving i7 920s to the X6/2500k category - Page 4

Poll Results: Move i7 920's (including 930's, 940's, 950's, and 960's)

 
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post #31 of 116
That seems fair. Would there be a possibility of adding a category later strictly for the -bigadv? I think it would be easier to add that category rather than to try and adjust it later.
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Since most of the hardware that can complete -bigadv are the high end 2ps and 4ps, and we have a competition for them, I'm inclined to say no. The hope is that event will grow out enough that we can have a 4p in each team, but we're not there yet.

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Banning bigadv costs 37726 points. Since we are in a private forum, I am just saying it. I know there is a discrepancy in this category due to not all hardware being able to complete P6904, but I also agree with letting it just take it's course with no changes.

 

Would I be correct in saying that this category should only be applying a 12 core hack and nothing more right now? I think that may need to be addressed.

 

If the hardware is capable, 37726 wants to maximum PPD. We need everything we can get to catch people within 30 years from now (I want to be alive).

 
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post #34 of 116

It's not private - everyone can see it (if they can find it). It's just that only captains can reply. :P

 

Anyway, let me give this scenario. Let's say with SMP PPD only, you could have Gulftown and SB together and have that compete with an SB and IB. But if all 4 CPUs only got -bigadv, the IB/SB combo would win. Or, only 1 of those CPUs got a -bigadv, and then the gap couldn't be closed, would you be happy with that?

 

I'm all for having OCN get the most PPD possible, but is it worth restricting ourselves with CPU combinations that are difficult to replace? Personally, I think OCN will lose more PPD from a team not doing 100% because one of the i7s is down (and hence they have no chance of winning), compared to the last few -bigadvs not being allowed.

 

EDIT: And yes, P6903/4, none of the P8101s, which would leave the SB-Es out IIRC. When we agree on how to go ahead based on Bloom/Gulf/IB/SB, maybe then we can look at allowing in an SB-E member on -bigadv, filling both i7 spots. Just a though, but it's nothing we can really deal with until we decide the structure of i7s at the moment.

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I still think the SBe discussion belongs in a different thread... but I think we could do a 3930k+2500k/x6/old i7 combo instead of 2 i7's on a team...
 
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post #36 of 116

>> Says we should discuss this in another thread

>> Discusses it here anyway

 

Let's leave out SB-E for now. And let's ignore whether we do -bigadv in i7/i72.

 

We need the max PPD for:

 

X6s

2500ks

i7 920/930/950/965s

 

SMP, native Linux, no AMD GPUs/no more than 1 nVidia GPU & decent RAM (RAM isn't too important though, since it doesn't affect SMP as much as -bigadv).

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Since I have nothing more to add.... here's my 3570k data tongue.gif
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It's not private - everyone can see it (if they can find it). It's just that only captains can reply. :P

 

Anyway, let me give this scenario. Let's say with SMP PPD only, you could have Gulftown and SB together and have that compete with an SB and IB. But if all 4 CPUs only got -bigadv, the IB/SB combo would win. Or, only 1 of those CPUs got a -bigadv, and then the gap couldn't be closed, would you be happy with that?

 

I'm all for having OCN get the most PPD possible, but is it worth restricting ourselves with CPU combinations that are difficult to replace? Personally, I think OCN will lose more PPD from a team not doing 100% because one of the i7s is down (and hence they have no chance of winning), compared to the last few -bigadvs not being allowed.

 

EDIT: And yes, P6903/4, none of the P8101s, which would leave the SB-Es out IIRC. When we agree on how to go ahead based on Bloom/Gulf/IB/SB, maybe then we can look at allowing in an SB-E member on -bigadv, filling both i7 spots. Just a though, but it's nothing we can really deal with until we decide the structure of i7s at the moment.

 

I think this will be a non-issue with the idea we had brewing. Should I unlock that thread?

 

And derp! hai guys doh.gif

 

The thing is, the gap can be closed with lucky work assignments, but mainly on 12 cores. That is what makes this close enough to be competitive. The same thing applies to SMP, but in a less wide fashion on 8 cores. 6097 was 4k PPD less than 6099. That is hardly enough to make the SMP even, but not a large enough gap to make a team lose! I agree with it and would be happy.

 
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post #39 of 116
Should we also consider Lynnfield i7's? Their PPD can't be that far behind a Bloomfield, and probably more in line with a x6. I can do some testing, and get some numbers for you guys, if you like.
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As much as I hate to cost us any points, the only fair way to even the competition out and take out the "luck" factor is to ban them. =/

However this will make the competition fun instead of annoying.

And another vote for the move of the Blooms
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