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Since when did they release PD based opterons...?

I don't know if they are released yet, but:

" Andrew Feldman, general manager of AMD's Data Center Solutions Group and one of the co-founders of SeaMicro, said that the Piledriver processor used in the new server nodes would have eight cores and would come in three speeds: 2GHz, 2.3GHz, and 2.8GHz. "

source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/11/amd_seamicro_microserver_upgrade_storage/
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You have to read from 33 page (post #817) through 36 and you'll see how people have concluded this.

Eh, just a few guys concluding it isn't enough for me at least. I've heard similar accusations against pretty much every single piece of software used as a benchmark.

Well then, I hadn't seen that. I guess it wasn't posted as news here.

I'm really hoping that by piledriver core they actually mean the architecture used in trinity. I'm just not sure what to believe here since the results and rumors that we have are somewhat contradictory.

Hope for the best expect the worst then I guess tongue.gif
 
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Well then, I hadn't seen that. I guess it wasn't posted as news here.
I'm really hoping that by piledriver core they actually mean the architecture used in trinity.

Yes, of course. I've already posted this few times but inside some threads.
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Wait a second doesn't itunes and 3ds max 2012 have some support for opencl.


Even if AMD manages to get 15% IPC, the processors total performance across all 8 cores will not scale as such, due to other bottlenecks in the design. Trust me i would love to see a 15% ipc increase, but its not going to happen.

Even with a 15% ipc increase Sandy bridge and Ivy Bridge STILL STOMP IT in SINGLE THREAD. Sandybridge is around 35-40% faster in single threaded workloads compared to bulldozer. Ivy bridge steps a bit further at 40-50% faster in single thread. Heck Thuban has 15-20% better IPC than Bulldozer. If Piledriver gets 15% it puts it on par with thuban, just clocks higher.... hmmmms


you can be excited all you wish. You will be disappointed on launch day, if your expecting piledriver to out perform even a sandy bridge 2600k in most applications.
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Wait a second doesn't itunes and 3ds max 2012 have some support for opencl.
Even if AMD manages to get 15% IPC, the processors total performance across all 8 cores will not scale as such, due to other bottlenecks in the design. Trust me i would love to see a 15% ipc increase, but its not going to happen.
Even with a 15% ipc increase Sandy bridge and Ivy Bridge STILL STOMP IT in SINGLE THREAD. Sandybridge is around 35-40% faster in single threaded workloads compared to bulldozer. Ivy bridge steps a bit further at 40-50% faster in single thread. Heck Thuban has 15-20% better IPC than Bulldozer. If Piledriver gets 15% it puts it on par with thuban, just clocks higher.... hmmmms
you can be excited all you wish. You will be disappointed on launch day, if your expecting piledriver to out perform even a sandy bridge 2600k in most applications.

really 60% ? it usually shows 30-36% gains in FPS vs FX in most single thread/cpu bound games.
how many games show a 60% loss in fps?
I don't think I've ever seen that.
    
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-3770k-i5-3570k_6.html#sect0

Maybe not 60% but the difference is night and day. No contest whatsoever but we all already know this as it is old news. Piledriver will close the gap on Sandy but it WILL NOT be competitive but rather an affordable (Hopefully) solution for budget gamers.
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Even if AMD manages to get 15% IPC, the processors total performance across all 8 cores will not scale as such, due to other bottlenecks in the design. Trust me i would love to see a 15% ipc increase, but its not going to happen.

In the X264FHD bench which is heavy MT, Vishera @4.5 GHz is on par w/ 2600K @4.9 GHz thumb.gif

And it's not true what you are saying that Vishera "will not scale across all 8 cores":

AMD showed Vishera @ 5GHz and also they showed scores in CB R13 (again, heavy MT) from 4.6GHz to 5GHz.
And Vishera is scaling perfectly from 4.6GHz to 5GHz. So, @5GHz, Vishera's MT performance increases 11% against 4.5GHz thumb.gif
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i don't agree with that yet. 15% is still way off a 2600K. It's much much closer though, no question there, and 3 times the improvement between SB and IB.
So it seems AMD's head is in the right place. Steamroller seems like the big one to shoot for, but piledriver is still looking to be a massive improvement. That should be the FX series competitive again, against the offerings from intel, in single threaded applications.

15% improvement is not way off a 2600K . It puts Vishera ahead in all multithreaded apps and very close in single threaded apps.With next years Steamroller , the lead will be clear for AMD over Intel in performance and price. With Steamroller Hasbeen will be flattened as a pretender. The superior encoding in Steamroller and the much lower power consumption with the .28nm process will ensure competitive power consumption and continued overclocking ability.
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15% improvement is not way off a 2600K . It puts Vishera ahead in all multithreaded apps and very close in single threaded apps.With next years Steamroller , the lead will be clear for AMD over Intel in performance and price. With Steamroller Hasbeen will be flattened as a pretender. The superior encoding in Steamroller and the much lower power consumption with the .28nm process will ensure competitive power consumption and continued overclocking ability.

But it's still down on single threaded apps I.E. games, it will still lag behind, and honestly it is 2 years too late.

Don't get me wrong, I'm hopeful, but haswell and Steamroller are both way to far off to accurately make any claims.
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Wait a second doesn't itunes and 3ds max 2012 have some support for opencl.
Even if AMD manages to get 15% IPC, the processors total performance across all 8 cores will not scale as such, due to other bottlenecks in the design. Trust me i would love to see a 15% ipc increase, but its not going to happen.
Even with a 15% ipc increase Sandy bridge and Ivy Bridge STILL STOMP IT in SINGLE THREAD. Sandybridge is around 35-40% faster in single threaded workloads compared to bulldozer. Ivy bridge steps a bit further at 40-50% faster in single thread. Heck Thuban has 15-20% better IPC than Bulldozer. If Piledriver gets 15% it puts it on par with thuban, just clocks higher.... hmmmms
you can be excited all you wish. You will be disappointed on launch day, if your expecting piledriver to out perform even a sandy bridge 2600k in most applications.

35-40@% advantage in sandybridge over bulldozer ,meaning I assume the I7 2600k, is just not correct. That may have been for one or 2 tests in a whole benchmark series. Cinebench is not to be considered reliable
as a benchmarking tool according to knowledgeable objective posters on this board and on semi-accurate. Let's wait 3 weeks and we will have the answers. Cerianly all multyihtreaded apps will have Vishera out-performing Intel especially in Photoshop. I think the doubters will be pleasantly surprised or if they are Intel fan boys . bitterly disappointed.
Edited by os2wiz - 9/26/12 at 11:16am
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