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And? That's the point of the whole sacrifice IPC for speed style architecture in Netburst and Bulldozer. You run higher speeds in Ghz to make up for the IPC, it's a give or take equation just like many others. Intel is leaning more towards the IPC side while AMD is now leaning more towards the Ghz side.
That's Bulldozer. Read the anandtech article, that explains why Piledriver won't use as much power as Bulldozer does.
(All the more proof people here don't read articles for anything technical, just look at the pwetty colours in graphs)
TDP != Power consumption.
Not to mention, both CPUs aren't likely to be pegged at 100% unless you're doing some gaming or the like, and price matters too.
That's true, but AMD has gained a lot of marketshare from Intel so far considering what they had before..
And honestly, games will always evolve and beat the IGPs out. They'll never be at 60fps at 720p on new releases.

Weird, that seems pretty far out of whack...More than you'd expect for a simple margin of error.

Last quarter the one that everybody is screaming about AMD gained less then 1% marketshare away from Intel. Intel still holds over 80% of the market. Trinity will have to massively outsell Llanno to make a real dent in Intel's domination of the mobile market.

As far as IGP performance if they cannot evolve to the point where they can hold 60 @ 720p with at least med/low settings I will continue to not really be interested. 720p at low settings is not a high bar and right now the IQ these chips are spitting out looks to be worse then what 7 year old consoles are doing with sameish framerates.

Unlike you though I do believe that probabally within the next iteration we'll start seeing chips from both that are able to hit that (bare minimum IMO) standard. At least I hope so.
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Last quarter the one that everybody is screaming about AMD gained less then 1% marketshare away from Intel. Intel still holds over 80% of the market. Trinity will have to massively outsell Llanno to make a real dent in Intel's domination of the mobile market.

Sadly..That's actually still a decent chunk of revenue for AMD.
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Sadly..That's actually still a decent chunk of revenue for AMD.

No doubt and I'm not knocking it either. I just see people throwing around AMD increasing marketshare like they're about to make things competitive. Clearly they still have a long way to go.
    
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Cool. When are we going to be able to build our own laptops?
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are trinity laptops out? or was today just the day the NDA lifted?
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I get 1.0 on single core in cinebench11.5R on a phenom II 1090T @ 3.4ghz and I'm still using VISTA as the OS.
they get 0.89 for a phenom II 980 @ 3.7ghz.

Weird, that seems pretty far out of whack...More than you'd expect for a simple margin of error.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/amd-trinity-review-a10-4600m-a-new-hope/6
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Mobile/AMD-Trinity-Mobile-Review-Trying-Cut-Ivy/Performance-Synthetic-3D-Real-World-Gaming

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"I don't think our settings were exactly the same, since I used the straight medium detail presets, as they tweaked the AA settings a bit. If I have time I'll try running it again, and seeing if there is any change." -Matt Smith
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Does anybody else find it interesting that Trinity is launching at the A1 stepping? Its been a really long time since any consumer cpu launched without at leased a full base layer respin to the B0 stepping. There was a single core Conroe die in 2007 that went into production at the A1 stepping, but that was after Intel had already made two other Conroe dies.

AMD must have nailed Trinity's design to get it right with only one metal layer respin. I mean, Intel took 9 respins, including four base layer respins to get Ivy Bridge ready for launch.
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As far as IGP performance if they cannot evolve to the point where they can hold 60 @ 720p with at least med/low settings I will continue to not really be interested. 720p at low settings is not a high bar and right now the IQ these chips are spitting out looks to be worse then what 7 year old consoles are doing with sameish framerates.
Unlike you though I do believe that probabally within the next iteration we'll start seeing chips from both that are able to hit that (bare minimum IMO) standard. At least I hope so.

I don't see how quality would decrease; AMD is using a newer design that has much better image quality than that available on console.

On the "looks like a console" front, the chip is 3x the power of current console GPUs (xenos is only 250GFLOPS and isn't very flexible). The integrated chip is comparable to last generations mid-range discrete cards. What's the complaint? Using it with a crossfire GPU will raise performance even more.

Next iteration will likely be 28nm, so a performance jump is to be expected, but a performance increase in desktops and more demanding games will keep your idea of hitting the seemingly high standard you have set. The fact that AMD has managed to increase performance so much within the same (or less) power envelope is nothing to scoff at.
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"I don't think our settings were exactly the same, since I used the straight medium detail presets, as they tweaked the AA settings a bit. If I have time I'll try running it again, and seeing if there is any change." -Matt Smith

Err, those are games and not Cinebench?
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Does anybody else find it interesting that Trinity is launching at the A1 stepping? Its been a really long time since any consumer cpu launched without at leased a full base layer respin to the B0 stepping. There was a single core Conroe die in 2007 that went into production at the A1 stepping, but that was after Intel had already made two other Conroe dies.
AMD must have nailed Trinity's design to get it right with only one metal layer respin. I mean, Intel took 9 respins, including four base layer respins to get Ivy Bridge ready for launch.

No doubt, since it's fusing Piledriver and VLIW4. They'll have worked on Piledriver without releasing chips and VLIW4 (Obviously) already, so they just fused them and added a few things and was lucky enough to have a great chip out of the gates.
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I don't see how quality would decrease; AMD is using a newer design that has much better image quality than that available on console.
On the "looks like a console" front, the chip is 3x the power of current console GPUs (xenos is only 250GFLOPS and isn't very flexible). The integrated chip is comparable to last generations mid-range discrete cards. What's the complaint? Using it with a crossfire GPU will raise performance even more.
Next iteration will likely be 28nm, so a performance jump is to be expected, but a performance increase in desktops and more demanding games will keep your idea of hitting the seemingly high standard you have set. The fact that AMD has managed to increase performance so much within the same (or less) power envelope is nothing to scoff at.

The chip no doubt is more powerful but devs are certainly able to get more out of console GPUs. Look at BF3 at low settings on PC and then the 360 version. The 360 version is clearly better looking alhtough obviously not anywhere near Ultra settings. So yeah I do think the consoles have a fairly large IQ advantage because with Trinity all you are going to get is low settings at 720p.

Also my 'standard' of 60FPS at med/low settings at 720p I don't think is very high. 720p is not a particularly demanding resolution and almost every discrete card on the market is capable of this. Remember Trinity was supposed to be competitive on that med/low end discrete level. I don't think it's there yet.

Also I believe Asymetrical CF sort of defeats the purpose of these chips. If your going to CF a GPU with it you may as well get an i5 with a discrete card for better performance.
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