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post #151 of 361
5/16/12 at 3:04am
I'm curious as to why a lot of the reviews tested the games on very low res and lowest settings, basically where the games are likely to be CPU bound rather than GPU bound.

Im sure if they upped the resolution a bit and went to medium or high settings, the HD4000 would fare significantly worse relative to the 7660G.

I also dont think you would lose much in terms of framerate for the 7660G by doing this, and would have a much better visual experience.

I have an A6 Llano and I was playing LoL at 720p, to find that I was averaging ~45 fps, but my laptops native resolution is 1600x900 so I decided to switch up, leaving the quality settings on medium...

I immediately got amazing graphics quality and clarity (relative to what I saw at 720p) and average frame rate was still ~ 45fps.
Edited by Alchemist07 - 5/16/12 at 3:11am
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5/16/12 at 3:46am
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I'm curious as to why a lot of the reviews tested the games on very low res and lowest settings, basically where the games are likely to be CPU bound rather than GPU bound.
Im sure if they upped the resolution a bit and went to medium or high settings, the HD4000 would fare significantly worse relative to the 7660G.
I also dont think you would lose much in terms of framerate for the 7660G by doing this, and would have a much better visual experience.

AMD's Laptop prototype: 14" WLED Matte 16:9 768p (1366x768)

For the price Trinity is aimed at, that's likely the res most laptops are going to come with.

If the CPU is "good enough" it shouldn't be bottlenecking its own GPU at its default res, right?
Edited by 2010rig - 5/16/12 at 3:50am
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5/16/12 at 4:30am
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AMD's Laptop prototype: 14" WLED Matte 16:9 768p (1366x768)
For the price Trinity is aimed at, that's likely the res most laptops are going to come with.
If the CPU is "good enough" it shouldn't be bottlenecking its own GPU at its default res, right?


Thats strange, since THG have tests at 1600*900

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Anyway, in answer to your last point...I dont think you understand my point of view, if I am limited at 45 fps by my CPU, yet am not stressing my GPU, why would I not up the settings and play at 45 fps with more detail to get a better experience...The CPU is "good enough" for that.

For example, Skyrim at medium detail, high textures, FXAA (Techreport review)

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By the way OP should add the techreport review to the first post.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/22932/10

I prefer tech report reviews, but shame they tested against 45W TDP i7 and not i5, even so:
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No question about it: Trinity's integrated graphics are fast. They're substantially quicker than even Llano's, and the contest with Intel's solutions is really no contest at all. From a seat-of-the-pants perspective, only the A10-4600M and Radeon HD 7760G are really playable at these settings. Llano is borderline, and the Intel offerings are just too choppy.

Hence why I think its bit silly/biased for many reviews to test at lowest settings, where only CPU bound, and when most users are likely to up their settings to at least medium.
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5/16/12 at 5:08am
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Thats strange, since THG have tests at 1600*900

Anyway, in answer to your last point...I dont think you understand my point of view, if I am limited at 45 fps by my CPU, yet am not stressing my GPU, why would I not up the settings and play at 45 fps with more detail to get a better experience...The CPU is "good enough" for that.

Hence why I think its bit silly/biased for many reviews to test at lowest settings, where only CPU bound, and when most users are likely to up their settings to medium.

I do understand your point clearly, hence my remark.

Tom's added their own machine with Dual Graphics to the mix, that's how they got 1600x900, but they failed to mention the price.
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To see how Trinity compares to its predecessor, we added a machine equipped with an A8-3500M to the mix. As an added bonus, this laptop is equipped with Dual Graphics, so we were also able to benchmark a discrete Radeon 6630M for comparison in some cases.

AMD’s Trinity test bed came equipped with a 128 GB SSD and two 2 GB sticks of 1600 MT/s DDR3 memory. We’re not convinced that you’d ever find an expensive SSD in a $700 laptop. So, to keep things fair, we used the same SSD and memory in all three platforms.

The most popular laptop resolution for models in this price range is 1366x768, but we’ll benchmark at 1280x800 because it pushes almost exactly the same number of pixels and has better external monitor support. There are fewer (but still a significant) models available shipping at 1600x900, so we’ll test that resolution as well.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-4600m-trinity-piledriver,3202-6.html

So as you can see in the 2nd paragraph above, even AMD's laptop isn't a fair representation of what will be sold for $700 either, but most people have overlooked this part as well.

Also, most of Anand's settings were at Medium.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/amd-trinity-review-a10-4600m-a-new-hope/6

Anyway, back to the original point. Most laptops in the $700 range will come with 1366x768 res. I'm sure there will be laptops with a higher resolution, but those will obviously cost more. Once you go beyond $700 - $800 you'll encounter laptops with Intel + Nvidia discrete graphics.

Here's an i7 2670QM(2.20GHz) + GT 555M 15.6" 6GB Memory for $799
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246324

I'd find more examples, but we don't want to turn this into an Intel vs AMD thread. wink.gif
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5/16/12 at 5:27am
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Tom's added their own machine with Dual Graphics to the mix, that's how they got 1600x900, but they failed to mention the price.
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To see how Trinity compares to its predecessor, we added a machine equipped with an A8-3500M to the mix. As an added bonus, this laptop is equipped with Dual Graphics, so we were also able to benchmark a discrete Radeon 6630M for comparison in some cases.
AMD’s Trinity test bed came equipped with a 128 GB SSD and two 2 GB sticks of 1600 MT/s DDR3 memory. We’re not convinced that you’d ever find an expensive SSD in a $700 laptop. So, to keep things fair, we used the same SSD and memory in all three platforms.
The most popular laptop resolution for models in this price range is 1366x768, but we’ll benchmark at 1280x800 because it pushes almost exactly the same number of pixels and has better external monitor support. There are fewer (but still a significant) models available shipping at 1600x900, so we’ll test that resolution as well.

Since you can get an HP "sleekbook" for $599, I cant imagine replacing the HDD for an SSD would cost more than $100...though I wouldnt be surprised if you bought one with a built in SSD where they charge you ~$250 for the privelige of having a super low end SSD barely worth $80 thumb.gif
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Also, most of Anand's settings were at Medium.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/amd-trinity-review-a10-4600m-a-new-hope/6

Fair Enough, though I'm always sceptical of Anand's reviews, they always seem a bit Intel biased...I also noticed that his settings seem to be the same as those in the tech report yet he got VERY different results in skyrim for the i7-3720QM (whats with the heading-No AA or FXAA) :

ANAND:
367

TR:
182

Also noted this one pointed out earlier from PCPer
343

looks very fishy ...thinking.gif did he turn off AA for the Intel run?
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5/16/12 at 5:39am
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Once you go beyond $700 - $800 you'll encounter laptops with Intel + Nvidia discrete graphics.
Here's an i7 2670QM(2.20GHz) + GT 555M 15.6" 6GB Memory for $799
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246324
I'd find more examples, but we don't want to turn this into an Intel vs AMD thread. wink.gif

Yes AMD A10 laptops are a value play and should be targetted at max price of USD 650 and pitted against low end core i5 with Intel HD graphics. AMD should tout its software advantages with OpenCL accelerated apps like Adobe Photoshop, Winzip, vReveal which have all incorporated GPU accleration. Trinity will benefit in these apps. Also the below link is about an early version of Handbrake with GPU acceleration using OpenCL

Handbrake OpenCL accelerated version

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5835/testing-opencl-accelerated-handbrakex264-with-amds-trinity-apu

As an overall package Trinity is compelling - hardware, software (OpenCL based acceleration app), much better GPU drivers for light gaming, battery life and price. smile.gif
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5/16/12 at 5:40am
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Since you can get an HP "sleekbook" for $599, I cant image replacing the HDD for an SSD would cost more than $100...though I wouldnt be surprised if you bought one with a build in SSD where they charge you ~$250 for the privelige of having a super low end SSD barely worth $80 thumb.gif

The Sleekbook is what I'm interested in personally, it's pretty sweet for the price.
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2012/05/09/hp-envy-ultrabooks-and-sleekbooks-review-first-look/#ixzz1uN6O57iQ

I'd add my own SSD before getting "the privilege" from HP. wink.gif
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5/16/12 at 6:44am
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Also, most of Anand's settings were at Medium.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/amd-trinity-review-a10-4600m-a-new-hope/6
Fair Enough, though I'm always sceptical of Anand's reviews, they always seem a bit Intel biased...I also noticed that his settings seem to be the same as those in the tech report yet he got VERY different results in skyrim for the i7-3720QM (whats with the heading-No AA or FXAA) :
ANAND:
367
TR:
182
Also noted this one pointed out earlier from PCPer
343
looks very fishy ...thinking.gif did he turn off AA for the Intel run?

That is... very strange indeed.
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5/16/12 at 6:53am
It's very clear that AMD has a winner in Trinity and I expect them to sell many millions of these as Trinity meet the needs of the majority of mainstream laptop users. Congrats to AMD. thumb.gif
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5/16/12 at 7:01am
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It's very clear that AMD has a winner in Trinity and I expect them to sell many millions of these as Trinity meet the needs of the majority of mainstream laptop users. Congrats to AMD. thumb.gif

Uh. rolleyes.gif Bit early to tell don't ya think?
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