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From legitreviews:

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Personally, I don't look for all out performance on a laptop, in fact I rarely game on mine. I only play stuff like Civ 5. One thing that really struck me is that the Trinity has longer battery life than ivy bridge, by a lot.

Thats certainly something meaningful to a lot of laptop users. In the end it boils down to price: if its priced the same as intel, why bother? But if its cheaper like Llano was, it will sell like hotcakes IMO. The average joe doesn't look for gaming performance or top benchmark numbers. I think some people here are jaded: the stuff you look for in a laptop isn't necessarily what the average consumers want. We're all super tech nerds that like topping benchmark records, the average consumer doesn't care.
Edited by xoleras - 5/16/12 at 5:05pm
post #172 of 361
One thing is that graphics can actually get quite a boost from "moar corez!" unlike CPUs, which means that dieshrinks (like with ivy) would be able to give "free" graphics performance - just use the freed-up available space for "more GPU cores" and BAM more performance!
 
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Yes AMD A10 laptops are a value play and should be targetted at max price of USD 650 and pitted against low end core i5 with Intel HD graphics. AMD should tout its software advantages with OpenCL accelerated apps like Adobe Photoshop, Winzip, vReveal which have all incorporated GPU accleration. Trinity will benefit in these apps. Also the below link is about an early version of Handbrake with GPU acceleration using OpenCL
Handbrake OpenCL accelerated version
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5835/testing-opencl-accelerated-handbrakex264-with-amds-trinity-apu
As an overall package Trinity is compelling - hardware, software (OpenCL based acceleration app), much better GPU drivers for light gaming, battery life and price. smile.gif

GPU accelerated x264 is awesome. This will drastically speed up everything from DVD rips to video editing for me(I use lossless h264 when editing). The nice thing is both AMD and intel benefit. While the AMD systems will still be slower than the ivy+discreet setups, I bet power consumption will be much lower. Though, if I were gonna render a video on a laptop, I'd make sure I was near a power outlet first... Still, should help the laptop stay cool and quiet, so I could do something else while encoding without being bothered by the fan.
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People, Intel's HD graphics got die-shrunk by 10nm from 3000 to 4000 (or 2000 to 2500). Of course this would allow them to pack quite a lot more cores onto the die, which might be the foundation of the performance jump we're seeing here. Trinity, however, is on the same process as Llano and we still see convincing growth.
Intel's HD graphics will have to rely on purely architectural improvements since Haswell stays on the same process, while AMD will be die-shrinking to a 28nm lithography and incorporating the more efficient GCN architecture. In other words, I'm hypothesizing the next round will bring more impressive performance increase for AMD than Intel (at least, as far as GPUs are concerned).
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AMD improved ~20% on the CPU side, and ~20% on the GPU side from Llano to Trinity.
Intel improved ~15% on the CPU side, and 50% on the GPU side from Sandy Mobile to Ivy Mobile.
If anything, Ivy mobile was a more significant performance improvement. The only notable improvement on the AMD side is power consumption, which greatly improved, other than that, especially its GPU improvements are quite underwhelming.

GPU jump was a lot larger than that for Trinity... it's just that the GPU can't fully flex its muscle with the CPU bottlenecking it.
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People, Intel's HD graphics got die-shrunk by 10nm from 3000 to 4000 (or 2000 to 2500). Of course this would allow them to pack quite a lot more cores onto the die, which might be the foundation of the performance jump we're seeing here. Trinity, however, is on the same process as Llano and we still see convincing growth.
Intel's HD graphics will have to rely on purely architectural improvements since Haswell stays on the same process, while AMD will be die-shrinking to a 28nm lithography and incorporating the more efficient GCN architecture. In other words, I'm hypothesizing the next round will bring more impressive performance increase for AMD than Intel (at least, as far as GPUs are concerned).

The top Haswell GPU will have 2.5x the shaders as Ivy Bridge, and some sort of crazy memory solution as well. Haswell won't be a joke. The drivers of course will be, haha. But AMD will definitely have some competition on the GPU side of things next year.
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More perspective, going from a Phenom II quad to an FX-4100, if you overclock both to the max, the FX-4100 *might* tie the Phenom II quad.

As someone who did just that..No. The FX-4170 I now own only loses to my Phenom II in synthetic benchmarks. The only game that ran slower was Sins of a Solar Empire which uses one core for everything and would lag like crazy even on the fastest 3570k.
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Good to know my 5650m is still kicking enough to beat out the APU in raw performance.

Can't wait for Kaveri.
     
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The top Haswell GPU will have 2.5x the shaders as Ivy Bridge, and some sort of crazy memory solution as well. Haswell won't be a joke. The drivers of course will be, haha. But AMD will definitely have some competition on the GPU side of things next year.

Indeed. If I remember correctly, Intel was claiming that Haswell would have roughly 550 Ti-level graphics thanks to Crystal Well. AMD's going to have their work cut out for them--Steamroller is both a tick AND a tock (die shrink AND a new socket/architecture). If AMD nails it, they could be right back in the game with Intel. If it turns into another Bulldozer, they're really in trouble. Trinity is a passable product in the meantime (and will likely get better once AMD fixes the driver kinks), but Steamroller will be the ultimate determinant of whether AMD stays relevant or not.
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Intel was claiming that Haswell would have roughly 550 Ti-level graphics thanks to Crystal Well.

would have roughly 550 Ti-level graphics thanks to Crystal Well

roughly 550 Ti-level graphics.

roughly 550 Ti

Jesus Christ.
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As someone who did just that..No. The FX-4170 I now own only loses to my Phenom II in synthetic benchmarks. The only game that ran slower was Sins of a Solar Empire which uses one core for everything and would lag like crazy even on the fastest 3570k.

That's interesting, although it was pretty well known that overall IPC hasn't changed much. That said, I'd have expected big wins & losses, due to the radical new architechture (i.e. heavy FPU tasks maybe worse on Bulldozer, but multi-threaded integer tasks fare a lot better).

REALLY bad news about Sins, that's one of the main games I was planning to play on my laptop frown.gif
Kinda pushes me towards Ivy now...
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