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Originally Posted by qwertymac93 View Post

The trinity shot looks darker because it is higher on your screen.
Look at the pictures side by side instead of one on top of the other.
What I see:
Trinity has slightly sharper textures, and what appear to be beveled edges that blend smoothly.
Ivy Bridge has slightly darker shadows, and geometry edges appear flat and don't all fit cleanly together(some white clipping on the highest edge).
The edge difference probably has something to do with AA quality.

I actually had both images open in separate tabs and was going between the two. The colours are more washed out for IB than Trinity, it's (probably) not a hardware issue though; more than likely it's straight up to the colour options in the drivers.

Looking at the drivers right now (School PC, older Intel HD graphics in a i5 661) and you can seriously see how lacking and...well, bad they really are. Going to 3D settings caused them to stop responding for a few minutes.
    
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Guys, beware that Trinity still has premature drivers, i'm sure that performance will increase when the divers update smile.gif

But yeah, honestly I was expecting a little more. It should have been faster and Crushed Llano and HD 4000, but instead it had really jumpy perfromance :/. Piledriver isn't much of an improvement over bulldozer, it still gets crushed by Sandy Bridge.
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Guys, beware that Trinity still has premature drivers, i'm sure that performance will increase when the divers update smile.gif
But yeah, honestly I was expecting a little more. It should have been faster and Crushed Llano and HD 4000, but instead it had really jumpy perfromance :/. Piledriver isn't much of an improvement over bulldozer, it still gets crushed by Sandy Bridge.

Wait for the desktop version. In the mobile field they had to make a choice; use less power, or stronger parts. So they did a little of both. Desktop Trinity should have some all-out-performance chips so we can see how they do when they aren't held back by power reqs.
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I hope they dont follow ivy trend
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I hope they dont follow ivy trend

Which is overclock less? Don't worry, with RCM and the clock driven architecture of Bulldozer (As opposed to the awesome 32nm process fluke that let Sandy get to 5Ghz) it definitely will clock as high as BD, if not higher.
    
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Even without RCM, it'll clock higher. AMD did some extensive rework on the power consumption:
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Fundamental to Piledriver is a significant switch in the type of flip-flops used throughout the design. Flip-flops, or flops as they are commonly called, are simple pieces of logic that store some form of data or state. In a microprocessor they can be found in many places, including the start and end of a pipeline stage. Work is done prior to a flop and committed to at the flop or array of flops. The output of these flops becomes the input to the next array of logic. Normally flops are hard edge elements—data is latched at the rising edge of the clock.

In very high frequency designs however, there can be a considerable amount of variability or jitter in the clock. You either have to spend a lot of time ensuring that your design can account for this jitter, or you can incorporate logic that's more tolerant of jitter. The former requires more effort, while the latter burns more power. Bulldozer opted for the latter.

In order to get Bulldozer to market as quickly as possible, after far too many delays, AMD opted to use soft edge flops quite often in the design. Soft edge flops are the opposite of their harder counterparts; they are designed to allow the clock signal to spill over the clock edge while still functioning. Piledriver on the other hand was the result of a systematic effort to swap in smaller, hard edge flops where there was timing margin in the design. The result is a tangible reduction in power consumption. Across the board there's a 10% reduction in dynamic power consumption compared to Bulldozer, and some workloads are apparently even pushing a 20% reduction in active power. Given Piledriver's role in Trinity, as a mostly mobile-focused product, this power reduction was well worth the effort.

I guarantee you that right there was the reason Bulldozer couldn't clock as high as AMD would have liked.
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No doubt. Bulldozer was definitely just AMD wanting to get something out instead of having another delay.
    
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No doubt. Bulldozer was definitely just AMD wanting to get something out instead of having another delay.

Hoping some more news about Vishera pops out of ADFS. I have no doubts that Intel will be best at stock clock speeds, but I'm really interested at how things look when overclocked.
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It depends at stock, I mean AMD was able to get a 4.2Ghz part out with BD (The FX-4170 I'm running at stock is 4.2Ghz, 4.3Ghz turbo) so they may be able to get a 4.5Ghz stock, 5Ghz turbo part on Piledriver if its as good as rumoured.
    
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Trinity CPU performance. The review does not include Core i3s.

Unfortunately, most reviews will not include Ivy Bridge Core i3 comparisons, mainly Core i5 and above. The best hope is for sufficient Sandy Bridge Core i3 comparisons for base reference.


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