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Do any of the review compare them clock for clock?

yes.. here
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Piledriver @ 4.2GHz - A10-5800K (no L3 cache, 2M/4T) Turbo off
Bulldozer @ 4.2GHz - FX-8150 (2 modules disabled, 2M/4T) Turbo off
http://www.technic3d.com/review/cpu-s/1458-amd-a10-5800k-apu/3.htm
http://www.technic3d.com/review/cpu-s/1458-amd-a10-5800k-apu/4.htm
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xbitlabs also compared them
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xbitlabs also compared them
well the Piledriver core is running at 3ghz.. rolleyes.gif
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talk abut cheap performance... get a $100 5600K and cheap Bd Cooler and OC that baby to 4.6Ghz... Pure Win...
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Omg they have the 65W TDP A10-5700 /drool/
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I'm wholly unimpressed by Trinity. Wake me up when Kaveri launches.


Funny how different people have different view points, to say Homeles is not impressed by anything AMD, shows just how much you know.

I'm not impressed by Trinity, but I'm not that disappointed either, it's definitely decent and serves its purpose at that particular price point. i'm much more excited for Kaveri since Piledriver's improvement over Bulldozer isn't much on the CPU side, but for now, I see 2 Trinity builds in my near future. Can't keep playing the AMD wait game.

I'd like to see some A85X boards under $100 though, as I want to get a CPU + Mobo + RAM + SSD for under $350. I thnk it's doable, but closer to $400 is more realistic.
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Funny how different people have different view points, to say Homeles is not impressed by anything AMD, shows just how much you know.
I'm not impressed by Trinity, but I'm not that disappointed either, it's definitely decent and serves its purpose at that particular price point. i'm much more excited for Kaveri since the improvement over Bulldozer isn't much, but for now, I see 2 Trinity builds in my near future. Can't keep playing the AMD wait game.
I'd like to see some A85X boards under $100 though, as I want to get a CPU + Mobo + RAM + SSD for under $350. I thnk it's doable, but closer to $400 is more realistic.
Precisely.

Trinity is a lot more interesting than Ivy Bridge was. However, once again, I'm not impressed by Trinity. Llano was awesome -- great graphics performance and passable CPU performance in an affordable package.

Trinity is the same thing, but we've already seen it before with its predecessor. It's feature set is hardly expanded over Llano.

I do think that the AVX and FMA3 support is nice. Trinity will age well, while Llano owners will not be so fortunate.

The main problem I have with Trinity isn't actually with Trinity itself, but with the lack of interesting ultrabook designs that use it. I would kill for a Trinity based Zenbook, but such a thing doesn't exist.

As far as desktops go, to me personally, I have no need for Trinity. That's not to say it is useless for everyone -- if you're planning on gaming on the cheap, there's no better place to go. But if you're planning on upgrading to a better GPU someday, Intel is still quite enticing. Trinity also does not OC high enough to make a significant difference.

I don't have a problem with it. I'm just not blown away by it either. You can always count on OCN's desperate AMD apologists to misconstrue that.
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The problem with the A10 K series is not the TDP, not the iGPU performance, not even the price of the CPU, or longevity.

The problem is A85X motherboards, A75, and A55 being new so they carry a price premium. There's no clearance sales or quarter end sales yet. When microcenter gets them and we can get sub $200 for CPU and motherboard then it would be nice ($100 A85X mobo - $50 combo + $120CPU = $170, $80 A75 mobo - $50 combo + $120 CPU = $150).

Examples:
GIGABYTE GA-F2A85X-UP4 $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128566

ASUS F2A85-M PRO $125
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131883

BIOSTAR Hi-Fi A85W FM2 $95 + 7 shipping = $102
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138366


The A55 stuff is ~$70, which is more than H61 boards (there's an MSI board for $55+7 shipping, which is out of stock though). A75 is where it's at I think, the boards are ~$80 and if you're buying an APU I don't see why you would put two GPUs in it for Crossfire unless bitmining.

In comparison, i7-3820+X79 = $350 or so , i5-2500K+Z68/Z77 was $250 or so.

When Vishera comes out later on then we ought to see the FM2 socket prices drop a little because they won't have that price premium. See the Z77 motherboard pricing now ($50 or so cheaper, compared to new i.e. asrock Z77 extreme 4 for $130 with 8GB RAM) even though they are "current".

I priced out a lower end A10 / A8 and it would cost as much as a i7-3820 build ($800-900). It's not economical right now.

I think A85x may be a waste, when the A75 has USB 3.0, SATA 6GB/s. Crossfire support on an APU platform makes the APU redundant, no?
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In reality, the A85X Platform changes little. The key difference bet the A85X and the A75 chipsets is the number of SATA and USB 3.0 ports it natively supports. The A85X supports eight SATA 6Gb/s ports and four USB 3.0 ports. Granted, the A75 supports four USB 3.0 ports as well, but the A55 chipset doesn't support any at all.
- http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=711&Itemid=63&limit=1&limitstart=3

This makes A55 a bad buy, a well-built A75 a pretty good bargain.

What annoys me is how it can't pair with a HD 7750 (HD 7750 uses less power than HD 6670.)

A10 can pair with HD 6670, A8 can pair with HD 6570 for dual graphics.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/FM2_APU_Preview/4.html
Edited by AlphaC - 10/2/12 at 11:19am
post #288 of 361
For people who don't really care for an integrated GPU, there are sans-IGP versions of trinity available:
750K 3.4GHz/4.0GHz 4MB 100W 4Core
740 3.2GHz/3.7GHz 4MB 65W 4Core
340 3.2GHz/3.6GHz 4MB 65W 2Core
They also happen to be quite a bit cheaper, ~$85USD for the top model
 
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I'd like to see some A85X boards under $100 though, as I want to get a CPU + Mobo + RAM + SSD for under $350. I thnk it's doable, but closer to $400 is more realistic.


It's possible, if you use biostar's motherboard, not a fan of biostars myself, but the board is pretty cheap compared to the rest, could actually get it for cheaper/upgrade to a better motherboard if you downgrade to a 60gb SSD.

MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138366
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148559
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113280
SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226236

Pretty good value, but I agree they could make the A85X motherboards a bit cheaper.
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The main problem I have with Trinity isn't actually with Trinity itself, but with the lack of interesting ultrabook designs that use it. I would kill for a Trinity based Zenbook, but such a thing doesn't exist.

I wonder why exactly this is. RR's a Lenovo alum, so you would think at least they would have a pretty broad selection of ultrathins. Is it an issue with AMD simply not pounding the drum enough to the OEMs? This doesn't seem to be the case considering all of the brands that were supposedly in on Trinity ultrathins at Computex.

Is it an issue of the OEMs themselves just finding Trinity unpalatable or unprofitable (Intel's Ultrabook rebates?) Bad PR?

AMD's got a pretty big PR problem in general. Most of the public automatically assumes that they're a cheap off-brand simply based on the fact that they don't have huge TV advertising blitzes like Big Blue. And working in retail, I can say the vast majority of sales associates immediately default to the Intel processors when recommending PCs to the laymen. Part of it is that the Intels are indeed superior in most CPU-bound tasks, but another part is that Retail Edge continually. beats. you. over. and. over. with the 'fact' that the CPU is the 'brain' and you absolutely, positively must have a tip-top CPU for fast performance when most people would notice the largest responsiveness increase from swapping out their old HDD with a SSD. Most of the associates are going to put more stock in Retail Edge than AMD's Retail Access simply because (as usual) RE's got a higher budget, so it looks prettier and the rewards are better.
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