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^ point is : A85X motherboards are overpriced right now and it's driving up the system cost.

A75 is a better buy because Crossfire setups would be bottlenecked by A10 anyhow.

Price performance would be:
$150 trinity A75

$250-300 i5

$350-400 i7

Not

$250 Trinity A85X

$250-300 i5

$350-400 i7

* i5, i7 systems are discounted, A85X is new so it is not.

AMD has always had great longevity and price/performance in mid-range. Athlon II/Phenom II came with a decent cooler with heatpipes, for example and outdid Core2Quad (and i3 for the most part).
Edited by AlphaC - 10/2/12 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post

^ point is : A85X motherboards are overpriced right now and it's driving up the system cost.
A75 is a better buy because Crossfire setups would be bottlenecked by A10 anyhow.
Price performance would be:
$150 trinity A75
$250-300 i5
$350-400 i7
Not
$250 Trinity
$250-300 i5
$350-400 i7

I understand your point. The fact that the numbers you provide don't add up, makes your point useless. Which could originally be contributed to user mathematical error, but with further use suggest bias.

Even now, the numbers you provide are useless.
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FM2 is overpriced because of kaveri potential.
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FM2 is overpriced because of kaveri potential.

Or because it's new..
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FM2 is overpriced because of kaveri potential.
Sounds like a pretty horrible excuse, paying the extra costs now to take advantage of something that may or may not be better in the future, AM3+ motherboards come into mind .
 
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Precisely.
Trinity is a lot more interesting than Ivy Bridge was. However, once again, I'm not impressed by Trinity. Llano was awesome -- great graphics performance and passable CPU performance in an affordable package.

Exactly, in reality Trinity needs to clock higher to match / beat Llano, but it's understandable since it is an improved BD architecture. It's still not at impressive levels yet, we still have to wait.

The avg OC's are 4.4 - 4.5 right?
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Originally Posted by Homeles View Post

Trinity is the same thing, but we've already seen it before with its predecessor. It's feature set is hardly expanded over Llano.
I do think that the AVX and FMA3 support is nice. Trinity will age well, while Llano owners will not be so fortunate.
The main problem I have with Trinity isn't actually with Trinity itself, but with the lack of interesting ultrabook designs that use it. I would kill for a Trinity based Zenbook, but such a thing doesn't exist.
As far as desktops go, to me personally, I have no need for Trinity. That's not to say it is useless for everyone -- if you're planning on gaming on the cheap, there's no better place to go. But if you're planning on upgrading to a better GPU someday, Intel is still quite enticing. Trinity also does not OC high enough to make a significant difference.
I don't have a problem with it. I'm just not blown away by it either. You can always count on OCN's desperate AMD apologists to misconstrue that.
Yet you're perfectly content with being one yourself. What hypocrisy.
I genuinely would like to know what is impressive about Trinity. Particualrly the desktop variety. That is not trolling.

At least FM2 has longevity and we'll be able to drop Kaveri in there. That's why I'd rather go with A85X from the get go, but those mobos need to be closer to $100.

1 of the rigs will be an HTPC, the other is a secondary computer that the wife will mainly use. Trinity + an SSD in there will make it feel extremely fast compared to the 4400+ she's been using.

He can't answer the simple question, because really, Trinity is not impressive, it's decent and a nice improvement over Llano, that's about it, it's nice but not exciting.
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It's possible, if you use biostar's motherboard, not a fan of biostars myself, but the board is pretty cheap compared to the rest, could actually get it for cheaper/upgrade to a better motherboard if you downgrade to a 60gb SSD.
MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138366
RAM $25: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148559
CPU $130: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113280
SSD $85: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226236
Pretty good value, but I agree they could make the A85X motherboards a bit cheaper.

Thanks! I haven't been keeping up with SSD's the last couple months, that's a great price for a 120GB SSD, I paid $229 for my 80GB, and it' nowhere near as fast. That's good RAM for the price too. There's also this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104296

The Biostar motherboard, I'm not so sure, not a fan of Biostar, I'm looking at the possibility of going with A75 instead, makes more sense since I won't be crossfiring, at MOST I'll add a 6670 to one of the rigs, but I doubt it.

If I was buying an A85 mobo today, I'd go with:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131883

But I'd also highly consider this instead to bring me closer to the $200 mark:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157333

I'll wait a bit and see what combo deals pop up, as well as what other mobos come to market, I'd like a 5800K + A85 for $225, and the Mobo has to be ASUS, Gigabyte, ASRock, I wouldn't buy Biostar personally.

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^ point is : A85X motherboards are overpriced right now and it's driving up the system cost.
A75 is a better buy because Crossfire setups would be bottlenecked by A10 anyhow.
Price performance would be:
$150 trinity A75
$250-300 i5
$350-400 i7
Not
$250 Trinity A85X
$250-300 i5
$350-400 i7
* i5, i7 systems are discounted, A85X is new so it is not.
AMD has always had great longevity and price/performance in mid-range. Athlon II/Phenom II came with a decent cooler with heatpipes, for example and outdid Core2Quad (and i3 for the most part).

$150 Trinity A75 is not realistic, $200 would be more like it. You're right on the A85 scenario, $250 Trinity is on the borderline expensive side, $100 A85 boards would be more like it.

Another thing we have to add to Trinity is a decent cooler like the 212, so add another $30 to that, and you're nearing $280.
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The avg OC's are 4.4 - 4.5 right?
It's my understanding that a lot of those were done with Turbo Core left on. KitGuru in particular got to 4.8GHz @ 1.52v with turbo disabled:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/asus-f2a85-v-pro-amd-a10-5800k-w-hd7660d/25/

Though their validation images show 4.6GHz @ 1.52v...
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The avg OC's are 4.4 - 4.5 right?
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on stock crapy cooler, using a Bd cooler(stock) they were able to do 4.6 without issues, with a high end air cooler you can expect over 5Ghz.... thumb.gif
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Exactly, in reality Trinity needs to clock higher to match / beat Llano, but it's understandable since it is an improved BD architecture. It's still not at impressive levels yet, we still have to wait.
The avg OC's are 4.4 - 4.5 right?
.

On default CPU voltage and with stock CPU cooler A10-5800K can go to 4.3ghz with no problems. Anything above that need higher CPU voltage, and better CPU cooler for example CM Hyper 212 Plus or Spire Coolgate 2011 these CPU coolers do not cost to much but offer good and quiet CPU cooling. thumb.gif

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

http://www.airetechit.co.uk/e-shop/int/ROW/products.php?217931&currency=USD&livemode=1

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1934/1/
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On default CPU voltage and with stock CPU cooler A10-5800K can go to 4.3ghz with no problems/
5Ghz+ with disabled iGPU and better air cooler
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