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Anyone knows if the new FM2 motherboards support FM1 APUs?

It wouldn't be AMD if they didn't
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post #322 of 361
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Anyone knows if the new FM2 motherboards support FM1 APUs?

I haven't seen anything indicating that they're compatible; I assume that they're not.

(That said, AMD did come out and say that FM2 will be around for several more generations)

edit: Tom's agrees.
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Anyone knows if the new FM2 motherboards support FM1 APUs?
According to TechPowerUp, FM2 boards do not support FM1 APUs. In their conclusion and one of the few negatives they had about the Trinity APUs they state:
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No compatibility with previous FM1 products, be it boards or chips.
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Who needs more than 4+1 phase VRM for trinity?
I don't think the FM2 socket will ever see an APU consuming more than 200 watts.

With 4.5+Ghz I'd feel uneasy about using 4+2 phase, no? It's 100W for unlocked Trinity, much like Llano and AM3.

All the 95W and 125W AM3+/AM3 stuff has 6+2 or 8+2 for high end 990FX/990X mobos (GA-890XA-UD3, GA-990FXA-UD3, GA-990XA-UD3 , M5A99X EVO, M4A89TD Pro, 990FX Extreme4, 890GX Extreme4), 970 and 880g boards tend to have 4+1. Even higher end FM1 had more than 4+1 such as F1A75-V PRO.

Only FM2 boards I know with 6+2 or 8+2 are: Gigabyte GA-F2A85X-UP4 (8+2), Asus F2A85-V (6+2), MSI FM2-A85XA-G65 (6+2), Asrock FM2A85X Extreme6 (8 + 2). It's probably a size/space constraint, but then there are ASUS mATX ROG boards like Rampage IV GENE and ASUS Maximus V GENE.

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Also I think A55 mobo is ill conceived because for people to buy an APU in 2012 and not have USB3.0 and Sata 3 6Gb/s is lame. It's worse than the $60ish H61, which is not as good a value as B75/H77 (6GB/s Sata 3,USB 3.0, $80ish).

The A75 provides much better value than B75/H77 due to the socket and the only use I see for Crossfire on an APU platform is a low power bitminer, so A85X isn't a value.

$70-80 A75 mATX is value when it costs ~40% less than A85X.
See http://www.gigabyte.com/products/comparison/list.aspx?ck=2&pids=4352,4343,4363

ASUS's site is wrong. http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_Socket_FM2/F2A85M_PRO/ Supports AMD Quad-GPU CrossFireX™ Technology
Edited by AlphaC - 10/2/12 at 7:10pm
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Omg they have the 65W TDP A10-5700 /drool/
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I'm wholly unimpressed by Trinity. Wake me up when Kaveri launches.
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You never are impressed by anything AMD do. They could make a ladder to the moon and yet you would say the exact same thing.

Funny how different people have different view points, to say Homeles is not impressed by anything AMD, shows just how much you know.

I'm not impressed by Trinity, but I'm not that disappointed either, it's definitely decent and serves its purpose at that particular price point. i'm much more excited for Kaveri since Piledriver's improvement over Bulldozer isn't much on the CPU side, but for now, I see 2 Trinity builds in my near future. Can't keep playing the AMD wait game.

I'd like to see some A85X boards under $100 though, as I want to get a CPU + Mobo + RAM + SSD for under $350. I thnk it's doable, but closer to $400 is more realistic.

It's IGP is impressive when you take out the fact we've known about its performance for a while, as for the CPU side? Not impressive, but not disappointing either, the only thing I'm impressed by is the possibility of having a 5Ghz Athlon 750K for under $100.

Personally, it's worth more to me than an i3, I'll probably buy the Athlon 750K and a Gigabyte GA-F2A85X-UP4 or ASUS F2A85-M PRO with some of the LP Samsung RAM, maybe I'll get a 5800k instead depending on what's happening with GPGPU when I buy, for Virtu and the IGP.
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^ point is : A85X motherboards are overpriced right now and it's driving up the system cost.

A75 is a better buy because Crossfire setups would be bottlenecked by A10 anyhow.
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Have we got benchmarks of that, though? Because it wasn't the CPU speed holding back dual card setups for AM3+, it was something in the chipset, hence why GTX 480 SLI would only go up 2fps over a single card but a HD7970 could still get faster than that, if it was a hard CPU bottleneck then it wouldn't be any faster at all, and considering FM2 moved the NB on die...
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Precisely.
Trinity is a lot more interesting than Ivy Bridge was. However, once again, I'm not impressed by Trinity. Llano was awesome -- great graphics performance and passable CPU performance in an affordable package.

Exactly, in reality Trinity needs to clock higher to match / beat Llano, but it's understandable since it is an improved BD architecture. It's still not at impressive levels yet, we still have to wait.

The avg OC's are 4.4 - 4.5 right?

It doesn't really matter though because it can clock higher so easily. Average stands about 4.5ish but that's (afaik) mostly on stock coolers, and the trend seems to be that with better coolers you'll hit 4.8-5Ghz which is pretty good, about the same as the lower end BDs.
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Why are some people complaining about A85X prices for budget builds?

Is your sub $400 budget computer going to comprise of CFX? 7 or 8 SATA devices?

As someone who is likely going to FM2, I currently have 4 Hard Drives inside my main computer, I'm planning on getting 3 more 3TB drives and a proper BR burner, while retiring maybe two drives, most likely 1 assuming everything's all working.

As for CFX, once I see a few CFX reviews on FM2 I'll decide if I'm going for dual HD8850s or not, because hopefully the chipset issue on AM3+ is gone, it won't be as fast as Intel (That's to be expected though, you're not going get a sub$100 3570k here) but it'll hopefully be a bit better than on AM3+ due to the on CPU PCIe controller.
As for my main reason to go for a A85X board? Well, the Gigabyte UP* series of boards has some of the best VRMs bar none, they're not going to run as hot if I say, get a H100 which doesn't blow air down to the VRMs like the stock cooler would.

As for why I'm moving off AM3+? Something's dying in my PC, it's perfectly stable at stock but I can't really overclock far and get the best performance for what I do, most likely the CPU (I forgot to clear CMOS and ended up putting 1.5v through the CPU/NB which is way too high for BD) so I need to replace the CPU anyway, I may as well get a slight upgrade to Piledriver and then later go to Excavator.
    
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Is there anyway to unlock a "second" module on the A6-5400k? (Dual core). I know you can't with bulldozer/stars but maybe with piledriver?
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Is there anyway to unlock a "second" module on the A6-5400k? (Dual core). I know you can't with bulldozer/stars but maybe with piledriver?

Llano and Bulldozer are laser cut. I doubt they'd go back to the old method of locking cores with Trinity.
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I don't really see the A85 boards as being expensive considering the AM3+ board I want is $20 more than the highest FM2 board (at NewEgg). And the Sabertooth is $190, the Formula V is $230 and those have been around a while. To say this new technology is expensive at $140 is crazy, do some math. Not only is it less expensive but, I don't have to buy a GPU.
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I like how AMD has shaped this product. Power requirements are a bit disappointing, but for multimedia use I think it suits up pretty nicely. Hope that they will parlay this release to wider application as in cheap notebooks and tablets.
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Any info on when the unlocked athlons with disabled igpu are coming?
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