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AMD cards have a simular feature if i remember correctly. From what i can see the power setting just determines the core clock speed and if it downclocks or not. Its like the power saving features on an intel CPU. If you max out the power control, it just runs at full speed as soon as you load something up, with 100% or lower it varies depending on what it needs. Thats what i understand of it anyway.

I settled for 1300mhz core and + 400 memory last night with 100% power control setting and i left the voltage control stock. It seems to be stable and only reached 63c. I dont see any point in pushing it past 1300mhz on air...maybe if i do 'the mod' ill look at overclocking again but with the above settings im more than happy with temps and performance.

I got anywhere between 1267mhz - 1300mhz depending on game / benchmark. Basically by overclocking these cards your just increasing the core boost limit so it uses it if it needs it. I'd like to see a constant 1300mhz overclock but it seems to crash sometimes and it made no diffence to the performance from my testing so i dont see the point. thumb.gif
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AMD cards have a simular feature if i remember correctly. From what i can see the power setting just determines the core clock speed and if it downclocks or not. Its like the power saving features on an intel CPU. If you max out the power control, it just runs at full speed as soon as you load something up, with 100% or lower it varies depending on what it needs. Thats what i understand of it anyway.

I settled for 1300mhz core and + 400 memory last night with 100% power control setting and i left the voltage control stock. It seems to be stable and only reached 63c. I dont see any point in pushing it past 1300mhz on air...maybe if i do 'the mod' ill look at overclocking again but with the above settings im more than happy with temps and performance.

I got anywhere between 1267mhz - 1300mhz depending on game / benchmark. Basically by overclocking these cards your just increasing the core boost limit so it uses it if it needs it. I'd like to see a constant 1300mhz overclock but it seems to crash sometimes and it made no diffence to the performance from my testing so i dont see the point. thumb.gif
If it crashes sometimes at 1300 I would say your not stable at that clock. These cards are weird where you can run some stuff at a certain clock but the same clock will fail on other apps.

For me if my card fails at anything at a certain clock then it's not stable. Not sure how it could be. I thought 1230 was stable but I got a lock up in BF3 last night.
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Well with 100% power control its stable at 1300mhz when it wants to use the full core clock so im happy, i dont really care than it dips by 20mhz in some games thumb.gif It doesnt get hot enough to throttle so performance is still great. I might need to rethink if things change.

The overclocking on this card is rather strange, the fluctuations in clock speeds is bound to cause instability in itself.
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Oh so your saying that only happens with a raised power limit. THats cool. Yah OCing on these cards is kind of wack imo. I don't really like it a lot. Used to it now after having a few of them. BUt I can still set an offset that won't go above a certain clock. Then all of a sudden it jumps up an extra 10mhz out of the blue and crashes.
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Yeah only happens if i change the power control to 117% dude! Anything between 101 - 116% doesnt seem to actually do anything so i left it at 100% and it was running stable all night last night no matter what game / bench i ran.

I dont really understand why some games like DIRT 3 and Project CARS run 1300mhz throughout the entire game but Heaven 3.0 and Crysis 2 run at 1267mhz - 1300mhz which changes constantly. Like i said it doesnt seem to effect performance in any way, you only notice when monitoring with MSI AB OSD. I know this happens when the card reaches 70c and throttles but im maxing out at 63c.
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These cards are weird where you can run some stuff at a certain clock but the same clock will fail on other apps.

This is so true. I understand now that Heaven is just one program/benchmark that will be the hardest. I gamed last night with the top card with a GPU Boost @1298, Memory Boost @ 3459 & a power target of 115. Bottom card @ 1238, 3283, & power target of 105 & was smooth for over 3 hrs. I also ran 3DMark 4 times. All was good. Ran Heaven & it was all for nothing!--->mad.gif
 
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As of right now, that doesn't do anything other than set to voltage min. but since the card uses voltage as its needed, it's pointless. Some say it helps with stability, I have not been able to reproduce that claim. I would focus on core, memory overclocking and GPU temperature.

Actually ... my card will not go over 1.162V unless I set the Voltage Tuner in Precision to 1.175V.

So ... I know for a fact the one in Precision 'does something'. The slider in AB, however, will not accomplish this. That one indeed doesn't do anything thumb.gif
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Yeah only happens if i change the power control to 117% dude! Anything between 101 - 116% doesnt seem to actually do anything so i left it at 100% and it was running stable all night last night no matter what game / bench i ran.
I dont really understand why some games like DIRT 3 and Project CARS run 1300mhz throughout the entire game but Heaven 3.0 and Crysis 2 run at 1267mhz - 1300mhz which changes constantly. Like i said it doesnt seem to effect performance in any way, you only notice when monitoring with MSI AB OSD. I know this happens when the card reaches 70c and throttles but im maxing out at 63c.

I don't understand that either ... my clocks stay maxed out (whatever I've set them to) the whole time I'm running any graphically intensive game/test like Heaven or Crysis 2. I'm using Afterburner to OC, with power limit at stock 100% and voltage slider untouched (since it does nothing in AB anyways).
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A few notes about the Power Limit:

1) There's really no reason to not max it out when overclocking on a 670,
2) HOWEVER, doing so will basically do jack diddly squat on anything except maybe Kombustor, because in regular gaming these cards (670's at least) don't seem to ever get near 100% of TDP anyways.

By setting this value higher than 100%, all your doing is telling the card to NOT downclock/downvolt in order to keep the power usage of the card at no more than 100% of TDP. You're resetting that target to higher % is all.

It's not an 'active' thing like moving the core clock slider, it's a 'reactive' thing ... you're telling the card "how high should I let the power consumption go (as a % of TDP) before I start throttling back clocks/volts to reduce power consumption?"

Thus, if your power usage isn't going near 100% anyways, and hence your card is not downclocking/downvolting in order to reduce it's power consumption and keep it below 100% of TDP, setting the higher power limit does NOTHING.

The power limit is really only going to come into play when/if someday, we're actually able to heavily overvolt these cards. The current cap of 1.175V is simply not enough for these cards to require a higher power limit on anything but a test that's specifically designed to use extreme amounts of juice like Kombustor.

At least, not that I've seen yet.
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A few notes about the Power Limit:
1) There's really no reason to not max it out when overclocking on a 670,
2) HOWEVER, doing so will basically do jack diddly squat on anything except maybe Kombustor, because in regular gaming these cards (670's at least) don't seem to ever get near 100% anyways.
By setting this value higher than 100%, all your doing is telling the card to NOT downclock/downvolt in order to keep the power usage of the card at no more than 100% of TDP.
Thus, if your power usage isn't going near 100% anyways, and hence your card is not downclocking/downvolting in order to reduce it's power consumption and keep it below 100% of TDP, setting the higher power limit does NOTHING.
The power limit is really only going to come into play when/if someday, we're actually able to heavily overvolt these cards. The current cap of 1.175V is simply not enough for these cards to require a higher power limit on anything but a test that's specifically designed to use extreme amounts of juice like Kombustor.

Thanks for posting this. I thought by doing that. The cards would become more stable. Now I see.thumb.gif
 
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A few notes about the Power Limit:
1) There's really no reason to not max it out when overclocking on a 670,
2) HOWEVER, doing so will basically do jack diddly squat on anything except maybe Kombustor, because in regular gaming these cards (670's at least) don't seem to ever get near 100% of TDP anyways.
By setting this value higher than 100%, all your doing is telling the card to NOT downclock/downvolt in order to keep the power usage of the card at no more than 100% of TDP. You're resetting that target to higher % is all.
It's not an 'active' thing like moving the core clock slider, it's a 'reactive' thing ... you're telling the card "how high should I let the power consumption go (as a % of TDP) before I start throttling back clocks/volts to reduce power consumption?"
Thus, if your power usage isn't going near 100% anyways, and hence your card is not downclocking/downvolting in order to reduce it's power consumption and keep it below 100% of TDP, setting the higher power limit does NOTHING.
The power limit is really only going to come into play when/if someday, we're actually able to heavily overvolt these cards. The current cap of 1.175V is simply not enough for these cards to require a higher power limit on anything but a test that's specifically designed to use extreme amounts of juice like Kombustor.
At least, not that I've seen yet.

With no overclocking, I get ~400 higher graphics score in 3dm11 just by raising the power limit. I don't have a reference card though.
 
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