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post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by Arxontas View Post

For the record, I have got only nice things to say for Kingston Memory.

These sticks are more that 4 years old, and yet when I run only two of them, I can easily push beyond 1300 MHz
with NO additional voltage given to either MCH or FSB. I think my record was um, 1320ish MHz stable (2 sticks).

My MOBO doesn't have an option to set the mem divider. It is set automatically by the board. My board calls
mem dividers "Bootstrap(s)". When I use 2 sticks, my board defaults to either 1066 or 1333 "bootstrap".
When I use 4 sticks, my board defaults to an 800 MHz "bootstrap".

There is an option to use "Memory Overlcok Setting 1" and "Memory Overclock Setting 2". I have tested both settings.

It looks to me that the board cannot go beyond 1088 MHz stable with 4 sticks in. Since you are more experienced than
me, I'd like to hear what you think.

(Many thanks for the latency program too).

 

 

 Key** 1066 or 1333 boot strap

 

 Latency for these NB straps is very tight... 775 NB will cope with latency into the low 40ns range but its very tough to even surpass 50ns stable with 4GB's from my experience. My guess is your NB is at a "latency limit" with the amount of RAM you are running and the speed/timings. You are also the victim of a poor BIOS, without the ability to loosen NB strap ..

 

 My advice would be to use a program like MaxxMem or Everest, to measure RAM/NB latency as you increase RAM speeds with 4GB's ... monitor latency decreases, and push for stability. You will find a point at which you will have to loosen latency [either with RAM timings, or sub-timings and Performance Level/Static T-read adjustments and skew] to push for more speed or remain stable at the current latency.

 

*Im curious to see where your latency is now with the settings you have..  Also - what RAM sub-timings and NB adjustments does your BIOS contain? Can you link me to a BIOS listing for your mobo?

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Okay.

Current settings: 1086 MHz, 5-6-6-15 (EPP#1 profile as reported by CPU Z@OP)

448

I see that you think as if you had to deal with an ASUS motherboard. Forget everything you know from ASUS; THIS IS GIGABYTE!
There are extremely few memory OC options, and nothing exotic such as "skew" and the like. It is ironic, but my MOBO is a deluxe
model equivalent to ASUS P5Q Deluxe, yet Gigabyte hasn't even included 1/10 of the OC options that come with pretty much all ASUS
boards.

There is only a System Memory Multiplier, a High Speed DRAM DLL setting that can be either one or two, and a DDR2 overvoltage control.
That's all folks. This MOBO originally cost 176 Euro, i..e. abt $200.

You can see the memory timing options at the OP photo.

The number to the left of the current frequency is the "Strapping/Bootsrap" setting that is auto-set by the MOBO. (800)

And here's my latency report:

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BIOS is Award Software International Version F7, 09-Jul-2007
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I am adding Gigabyte's official description of my MOBO for lulz:

GIGABYTE's GA-P35-DS4 REV.2.1 motherboard provides the ultimate dream machine for serious overclockers and enthusiasts.

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=2745#ov

lol...
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post #15 of 19

Thank you for that!

 

 I can see from the pics posted that your Performance Level setting is in your memory timing options.. called "tRd" .. pullins like ASUS has would be "tRd Phase"

 

*These settings are crucial to NB stability and OC... as well they severely limit your FSB potential due to keeping the NB latency very tight. Typically Gigabut mobo's run their PL# tighter than ASUS... 

 

For FSB alone I would recommend the following for tRD:

 

333-400FSB = tRd 6-8

400-500FSB = tRd 8-11

500-600FSB = tRd 11-14

 

 Please run a RAM/MCH latency test like MaxxMem before making changes to tRd.. you should notice a substantial increase in latency by loving tRd +1 from the current setting [since Auto.. its most likely 5 or 6 right now.. using MemSet 4.0 will allow you to see what sub-timings your mobo is using for Auto settings in Windows]. As i said before.. we need to find the "area" your NB likes with the current amount of memory.. loosening tRd may bring latency into a range where you can still push MCH for higher RAM speeds.

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The above are my current timings.

After I updated the BIOS to its most recent version, I have been able to run the memory at 1101 MHz, however,
when I changed the ratio from 3.20 to 3.33 and thus run the memory at 1147 MHz, I got the usual BSOD.

In your experience, which reading should I slack (there is no TRD reading at Mem Set)?

Thanks for your help again.
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post #17 of 19

Memset is showing your Performance Level at '8' ... this should correspond to the 'tRd' setting in your mem timings/BIOS. Try to manually set 'tRd' to 9 and retest for your BSOD.. 

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Memset is showing your Performance Level at '8' ... this should correspond to the 'tRd' setting in your mem timings/BIOS. Try to manually set 'tRd' to 9 and retest for your BSOD.. 

Tried it, won't work. I set TRD as high as 12, and PC wouldn't even boot.

So, either I have hit the limit or there is some other setting I will have to manipulate/change as well.
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Cntrl+F1 doesnt unlock any additional BIOS options either does it..? 

 

 Im running out of helpful suggestions.. and it seems your BIOS doesnt cooperate much with RAM tuning or MCH settings..

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