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5/18/12 at 1:55pm
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Regulations introduced to curb anti-competitive practices and thus foster competition isn't "forced price lowerering." A free market is a regulated market. Without regulations, megacorps grow large, dominate the market and push out any and all competition.
I'm all for private enterprise, you just can't have a Wild-West with no oversight or people and their greed will run amok. We have police to maintain order in our day to day lives, why have anarchy in the market?

If you want the ISP market regulated you'll need a new non-political organization to do it. The idea some people have that we should have the FCC regulate things is completely ludicrous given how much they've overstepped their boundaries the past 20 years. Regulating in the first place is a crap idea because if the ISPs no longer answer to us they have even less incentive to improve their support and services. A regulated internet service market may work in Europe or east Asia but not in North America.
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5/18/12 at 3:39pm
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I don't understand what you are trying to say. If they reduced their margins on the "cable communications", as you call it, their net income would drop. I mean, do the depreciation/amortization expenses and other expenses mean nothing to you? Those expenses have to be paid for somehow...
The tax liability is a bit of a moot point, as they'll never pay taxes to put them at a loss, but even still, their before tax income is $8.2B, less than 15% of their total revenues, which is well within the realm of "reasonable" margin, IMO. I would not call them highly profitable either.
You can talk about their gross margin @ 35% all day, but it doesn't change the fact that their other expenses still need to be covered somehow. I don't know why you are choosing to ignore those, but please enlighten me.

I was pretty clear about what I was trying to say.

"I stand by my argument that usage based billing does not and will not improve quality of service." I would add to that: Usage based overage charges do not reflect higher costs of content delivery.

I posted that data since *it was* claimed I was cherry picking data. Their other expenses are covered. Cable communications has a profit margin of 40%. Overall, they made $4 Billion last year.

Care to enlighten me about why their stock price matters?

Edit: it was Lancer who claimed I was cherry picking data, and brought up the stock price.
Edited by avesdude - 5/18/12 at 3:46pm
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5/18/12 at 4:06pm
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I was pretty clear about what I was trying to say.
"I stand by my argument that usage based billing does not and will not improve quality of service." I would add to that: Usage based overage charges do not reflect higher costs of content delivery.
I posted that data since *it was* claimed I was cherry picking data. Their other expenses are covered. Cable communications has a profit margin of 40%. Overall, they made $4 Billion last year.
Care to enlighten me about why their stock price matters?
Edit: it was Lancer who claimed I was cherry picking data, and brought up the stock price.

UBB (true UBB) might not at all change quality of service, but it would ensure that people pay only for the data that they consume, and never pay for data that they do not consume. It's like a power company charging you in massive 5000 kw-hr chunks when you actually only use 1/10th of that amount in any given month.
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5/18/12 at 4:17pm
You think these overages are bad, My ISP charges $8/GB. Ahh the joys of Satellite rolleyes.gif
Id give anything for Comcast
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5/18/12 at 4:25pm
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UBB (true UBB) might not at all change quality of service, but it would ensure that people pay only for the data that they consume, and never pay for data that they do not consume. It's like a power company charging you in massive 5000 kw-hr chunks when you actually only use 1/10th of that amount in any given month.

I agree that true UBB could be alright.

@Captain $8/gb is pretty heavy though. Satellite your only option out there I presume?
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5/18/12 at 4:27pm
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I agree that true UBB could be alright.
@Captain $8/gb is pretty heavy though. Satellite your only option out there I presume?
Yeah. Too bad this new announcement by Comcast is not at all related to UBB, other than the title of the article says that they're "heading toward" it... rolleyes.gif
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5/18/12 at 5:22pm

Just from gaming, mild downloading, and a good amount of Netflix, I'm at 220GB~ since 4/1 according to my program. I'm at 2GB usage just from today. You can EASILY go over 500GB in a household today. Multiple Netflix streaming, Youtube, Smart phones/pads, gaming, and downloading. You want to throttle torrenting? Fine, because let's be realistic here. Very few things are legally downloaded from torrents, let alone actually hosted on it. Torrenting is what caused this. Not any other kind of downloading. Torrenting is a non stop upload and download process. I know Charter has a cap, but we've gone over it several times. I doubt they care, but I'm glad we don't have Comcast. Horrible, horrible company.

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5/18/12 at 5:27pm
Thank god I'm not a game... Wait..

to Redownload all of my games Requires 182GB of downloads (and I don't even have everything installed yet. just:

WoW
WoW Beta
CS:S
HL2 ep 1
Tera
Diablo 3
FireFall
Starcraft 2
Crysis 2
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Gotta love comcast when I gotta share with 2 people that watch a large amount of netflix.

my bandwith usage doesn't even include normal browsing stuff,
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5/18/12 at 5:53pm
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I was pretty clear about what I was trying to say.
"I stand by my argument that usage based billing does not and will not improve quality of service." I would add to that: Usage based overage charges do not reflect higher costs of content delivery.
I posted that data since *it was* claimed I was cherry picking data. Their other expenses are covered. Cable communications has a profit margin of 40%. Overall, they made $4 Billion last year.
Care to enlighten me about why their stock price matters?
Edit: it was Lancer who claimed I was cherry picking data, and brought up the stock price.
Usage based charges have little to do with profit margin, that's where my confusion of your statements came in. Ok, you want to claim that usage-based billing does not improve quality of service. Fine. But what does that have to do with profit margin? You can have a huge or slim profit margin in usage based billing just as easily as you can have a huge or slim profit margin in period-based billing.

Again, so what if cable communications has a profit margin of 40%? They still have to pay for depreciation and amortization of assets. They still have to pay for administrative and other expenses. If they drive that gross profit margin down to say, 10%, then they wouldn't have any revenues left to pay for those other expenses, and would be operating at a loss. That wouldn't make much sense, now would it?

I can see that after taxes and NCI, they made $4B last year. What's your point? Maybe they'll lose $4B next year. $4B isn't a whole lot of profit when you have $52B worth of expenses. $4B is an overall profit margin of 7.5%. That's skinny in just about any industry.

Also, I have no idea why stock price matters. I didn't mention anything about it.
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5/18/12 at 6:46pm
The stock price matters because it's a reflection of public sentiment about a given company, in general. When looking at that, you don't look at their quarterly or year end numbers and then make a decision on one piece of their business. Certainly the pieces matter, but you take a look at the whole and decide whether or not you want to invest your money or not.

The bottom line is that their profits were 10%. Period. You don't buy a piece of the stock, you buy the stock. Comcast's business' all together are reflected by public sentiment, in ONE stock price. That's why I brought it up. That's why it's 'cherry picking' to select one portion of their business and say "40-something% profit!"

That's why I think it is legitimate to say, "price gouging with 10% margin? I don't think so?" Some parts of one's business, feeds on another. Look at the mess Sony is in for example. Their TV and gaming divisions are in disarray. You think they're going to pull out of those markets? I don't think so. The other divisions in Sony will have to pick up the slack for now.
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