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sergionography 
i will sum this up for you one more time
trinity does everything that ivy bridge can do PLUS stuff that ivy bridge cant properly do(games, graphical tasks) all at the same battery life or better(assuming future ivy bridge will match trinity) with a cheaper price tag
and for most users the purchase comes down to this: laptop looks nice, does everything they need it to do, has good battery life and portability, and matches their budget
so at the end of the day, the most important factor of all is price, as most people look at products according to their budget, and then they look at its portability/battery life so unless the 900$intel looks totaly freaking better than the 500$ trinity a typical person(majority of people dont know much about computers) will totaly go for trinity, especialy with all its fancy stickers and marketing "QUAD CORE, DISCRETE LEVEL RADEON GRAPHICS, 4-8GB RAM, 500GB HDD
now who in their right mind would buy a dual core that lacks a radeon sticker for 900$ when they can get a quad core with radeon! not to mention the lower frequency on the dual core vs the 3.2ghz on trinity!!(remember this is a typical person)
so my point is, whether from a practical standpoint, or a marketing stand point, AMD is dealing with a WIN-WIN situation, no wonder they are so confident about trinity, and im happy for them, as for the first time they are being good businessmen rather than just nerds who innovate, amd has brought more innovations than anyone, but they sucked at business, even when they had superior cpu's they couldnt sell better than intel, but look at how llano gained them 46% market share even tho it was clearly weaker in terms of cpu and was using a pretty outdated but good gpu (vliw5), and with trinity being even way better than llano they will only be getting better and better
Eventhough I'm buying a Trinity Sleekbook, I will comment on some things you mentioned. Do note that I'm not singling you out, this goes for a lot of people making price assumptions....
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1. "the most important factor of all is price, as most people look at products according to their budget, and then they look at its portability/battery life so unless the 900$intel looks totaly freaking better than the 500$ trinity a typical person (majority of people dont know much about computers) will totaly go for trinity"
Where is this $500 Trinity you speak of, and which processor will it have? A laptop with an E-450 costs $400 - $500 typically
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100017489&isNodeId=1&Description=E-450&x=0&y=0
If we go by the AMD laptop given to reviewers, that sample exceeds $700. Though in reality AMD will have no option than to price Trinity at $700 max
because they can't compete at higher price points.
There are Intel options, and they're not necessarily $900 as you claim. Heck, I looked up NewEgg, and I couldn't find a single $900 Intel laptop. There are laptops at
$1100+ but all those come with a 1080p display, Nvidia graphics like a 570M, 750GB HD and the whole works, definitely not something that comes with a "$500 Trinity Laptop"
Check the $600 - $800 range, there are some really good choices. There's even an i7 2670QM + 555M for $800:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=StoreModule&N=100017489&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Depa=3&Category=223&ModuleType=0&BaseItems=34-214-609&DisplayedItems=34-158-284%2C34-214-609%2C34-158-224%2C34-215-345&SellerTryTab=0&Tid=17489&SrchInDesc=intel&Page=1&PageSize=20
Heck, if you can live with a Refurbished Model, check this out for $699 ( Intel Core i7 2675QM(2.20GHz) 15.6" 6GB Memory 750GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 6490M )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131223Quote:
2. whether from a practical standpoint, or a marketing stand point, AMD is dealing with a WIN-WIN situation, no wonder they are so confident about trinity, and im happy for them, as for the first time they are being good businessmen rather than just nerds who innovate,
It's interesting you would say that, the 7970 was launched at $550 ( almost $200 more over the card it was replacing ) AMD took advantage of the fact that Nvidia was late with Kepler. They took it upon themselves to compare their new Gen card, to a previous Gen card to justify their price. Certainly "Good Businessmen" for THEIR bottom line.
Early adopters paid premium. Once competition was out, they were FORCED to drop their price, it certainly wasn't by choice though as their cards weren't selling at their asking price. That process took a couple weeks even, and they didn't want to budge since the 680 was sold out.
If Trinity's CPU was stronger, they'd be charging more for it, simple as that. Again, based on Trinity's performance they
HAVE to price them below $700 in order to compete. AMD is not a charity, and they don't always price things cheaper by choice.
