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5/19/12 at 9:28am
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Hey folks, this is probably an age old question but I need to save up for an upgrade on an AMD cpu from a Phenom II 965 and deciding between a 1100t or an FX-8150 (now going for $200 a piece). I just upgraded the motherboard to AM3+ so I am not interested on dropping my whole rig for an Intel at this point. I would like to overclock, fold 24/7, edit videos and some minor game playing (like once or twice out of the week. I will be cooling with an H80 and maybe later mod my case for push/pull H100. What would be the better route to go? Last advice I got was to go with the 1090t or 8120. I would also like to note that I am not independently wealthy so it may take me a couple months to afford either, in which time these prices could go down even further. What do you think?
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5/19/12 at 9:47am
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If You are planning on staying with. The AM3+ board. In the Uk there is quite a difference in price between the FX 8120 and the FX 8150 so I would probably say the FX 8120 is probably the better solution out of these two cpu's. Sorry but can't comment on the 1100t.

Folding wise the Fx 8150 does use a little more power than the intel range. My FX 8150@ stock was drawing about 70 watts more than the i7 2600's while folding and bringing in between 15k-18k under Linux (i7 2600@ 4.4Ghz brings in approx 30k
). Now the Fx 8150 does sound poor when compared to the i7 but if you compare the power/points to what some gpu cards are bringing in it's not as bad as it first looks.
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5/19/12 at 10:09am
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If You are planning on staying with. The AM3+ board. In the Uk there is quite a difference in price between the FX 8120 and the FX 8150 so I would probably say the FX 8120 is probably the better solution out of these two cpu's. Sorry but can't comment on the 1100t.

Folding wise the Fx 8150 does use a little more power than the intel range. My FX 8150@ stock was drawing about 70 watts more than the i7 2600's while folding and bringing in between 15k-18k under Linux (i7 2600@ 4.4Ghz brings in approx 30k
). Now the Fx 8150 does sound poor when compared to the i7 but if you compare the power/points to what some gpu cards are bringing in it's not as bad as it first looks.

The 8120 is going for much cheaper here too but wasn't sure what kind of overclock I could get out of it with a H80. Any ideas? Someone on irc suggested 4.5GHz but wasn't sure. That sounds a little exaggerated.
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5/19/12 at 8:23pm
Are you cool with increased power bill? FX-8120 consumes considerable more power than Phenom II X6. To get equal or better ppd on FX-8120, you need to really OC it, meaning substantial increase on power consumption.
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5/19/12 at 8:32pm
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I have heard of the power consumption thing. I can tolerate a little increase but if it doubles my electric bill than I wouldn't be interested in that. I am interested in performance though I don't want to go extreme overclock. I want to oc a good amount that I could be 24/7 stable. I am at 4.17GHz on my 965 and would at least like to get something close to that or better without cranking out the voltage and heat. What is the better overclocker in 24/7 setups?
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5/19/12 at 8:36pm
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I have heard of the power consumption thing. I can tolerate a little increase but if it doubles my electric bill than I wouldn't be interested in that. I am interested in performance though I don't want to go extreme overclock. I want to oc a good amount that I could be 24/7 stable. I am at 4.17GHz on my 965 and would at least like to get something close to that or better without cranking out the voltage and heat. What is the better overclocker in 24/7 setups?

If you keep FX-8120 at or below 1.4 V or 4.5 GHz, your power consumption will be conservative. If you can do this, it will be equal to Phenom II X6.

While heavily OC'ed FX-8120 will not double your electric bill (unless you are already at the top tier), it does adds up.
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5/19/12 at 8:37pm
just for reference...my 1100t.... i downclock it for folding to 4ghz...gets around 19k

you may be best to wait and see how the 2nd gen bulldozer performs thumb.gif
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5/20/12 at 6:53am
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Those are the things I wanted to know. When I first thought of the idea to upgrade my cpu I automatically went in the direction of Phenom II x6. When I couldn't find the ones I wanted I skipped over the bulldozer and set my sites on the release of piledriver. Just the past week I started getting greedy and wanted a new cpu now and so I considered a bulldozer even with the bad rep I had seen from them. But when I saw the price drops I thought I could take a chance with one. Now from what I read here there is not much assurance that the value if those bulldozers is there and it just makes sense that i have to save my money up anyway. I might as well save until the PD release. I can only pray that the PD prices will not be out of reach and there will be availability at my stores when they are released.
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5/20/12 at 8:23am
Expect PD's price to be at least BD's launch price. Reason AMD lowered BD's price because from stock performance standpoint it is inferior to SB/IB. They tend to adjust prices based on performance.
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Expect PD's price to be at least BD's launch price. Reason AMD lowered BD's price because from stock performance standpoint it is inferior to SB/IB. They tend to adjust prices based on performance.

Anyone know what 8150's launch price was. I started following them when they were about $250. is that about right and would that be the best guess of how PD would be released? I will just keep saving until then. I would hope to have enough by September or October. I know no one tells the future here but if I know how much BD's launch price was maybe I will be close on a goal. Man, that is a long time to wait for an upgrade. LOL.
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