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Any problem with testing a phase unit without it being loaded or the evaporators mounted to a cpu? Just for initial unit testing?

Never turned one on without it being attached.
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post #2 of 12
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Got my answer already in a PM!

You can definitely test with the evaporators unattached!

This may have been a dumb question after thinking about it. doh.gif
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Not a dumb question at all but Like you mentioned its fine smile.gif
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post #4 of 12
Yeah not dumb. Theres only certain situations that this can pose a real issue.
Running it for ours with the evaporator mounted well above the unit itself can result in floodback if the unit is a small form factor pushed to hold a large load with an increased charge. Many times there isn't enough room to accomodate a proper accumulator, or the documentation with the unit doesn't actually mention a "minimum load".

Its interesting though that we forget to mention the minimum, mainly because only the phase builders work in definite units of Watts of load.

Otherwise in the HVAC industry, EVERYTHING has a minimum and max load. Clear as daylight normally. Because in huge units, the "little bit of floodback" can be a HUGE amount of liquid refrigerant back to the compressor.


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Additionally, if the compressor is a rotary, then it should have an accumulator designed to cover upto 50% of the compressors capacity at its rated specifications. Because of this, flooding it is almost impossible.
post #5 of 12
Very good points Nol!
Its actually one of mine its a 2 headed 2011 CoolerExpress unit and he just wanted to verify that it wasn't broken during shipment.
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post #6 of 12
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Thanks guys for the comments. I don't plan on running this unit unloaded, only to verify operation.

Very impressed with this dual evap unit. if I am only using one evaporator, I leave the other hanging off to one side with a condensate catch pan underneath it.
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post #7 of 12
Snorkle.gif

A dual evaporator fed by capillarys should never let one evaporator run unloaded. Due to risk of flooding in the second evaporator as the transition from unloaded to load will increase the massflow; the refrigerant will head preferably to the zone of lower restriction, which will be the unloaded evaporator; effectively starving the loaded evaporator.

This is why a superheat valve is often used in any multiple capillary system of decent size. Sadly these valves are very expensive, and too large for our systems. Or more commonly TXV's fed by a common receiver but then "hidden" from each other with a valve that sets the suction pressure so that the TXV's do not begin "seeking" constantly. Many TXV's have an external connection that is meant to help detect the suction pressure across evaporators with large pressure drops. These can actually be helpful in fighting "searching" by connecting the valves as normal, and then linking these connections further with a piece of capillary tubing of similar pressure drop to the evaporators selected.

Unless that unit has a fairly extensive suction line heat exchanger (not just capillary wrapped to the flex/suction), running one evaporator unloaded would be a bad idea. It might work fine for a time, but it will certainly hurt the load capacity and risk floodback.
Edited by NoL - 5/21/12 at 12:36pm
post #8 of 12
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So it should never be run using a single evaporator only? Even for 2 - 3 hr benching sessions?

I alternate evaps between CPU only runs.

What about if I design a small load to apply to the unused evap?

I am going to use both evaporators sometimes but 50% of the time, no.

I did ask this question before purchasing but now I have some concerns!
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post #9 of 12
Youll be ok but it will perform better when using both the evaps.
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post #10 of 12
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Sorry for the multiple forum posts. Just planned on using it again in this mode shortly!

Again, great support from you!
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