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5/21/12 at 1:43pm
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X is dead though. Long live Wayland!
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5/21/12 at 1:49pm
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doh.gif Are you saying that if Linux held a major market segment (over 30%) that there would be no retail software? Are you crazy? The only reason there ISN'T retail software (productivity, games etc) is because it doesn't have a major market segment. The whole point I'm making is a typical 15-25 year old that wants to play games can't just run out and install the latest GPU that's out and with two clicks install the drivers and be up and running. Same goes for going out and buying whatever software they want to use (IF it were hypothetically available). That's precisely why Linux isn't a major threat to the other OS makers. And until that changes it will never be.

To be fair the latest supported GPU drivers are always two clicks away on Linux.
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5/21/12 at 1:51pm
Actually we're talking about WHY Linux doesn't have a significant amount of market penetration. And software availability (games etc) has a LOT to do with that. People aren't going to use an OS if tney can't run the software that they want to (and freeware in the repos isn't going to make up for that). The article is entirely on point when he points out ease of installation and use. Linux may have come a long way from where it once was, but it's nowhere near ready to be a serious consideration for the entire spectrum of users when looking at OS choices (THAT is what's called the market that Linux only has a very small portion of right now).

As for the "repos" being a software distribution center. Software developers are having a hard enough time as it is switching to online distribution forms such as Steam (they are a paranoid bunch). To say that the repos could easily be used to distribut paid software ignores the fact that it would have to undergo MAJOR changes before Dev's would be comfortable enough to release their software through it and not overly worry about piracy.
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5/21/12 at 1:53pm
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5/21/12 at 2:03pm
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Actually we're talking about WHY Linux doesn't have a significant amount of market penetration. And software availability (games etc) has a LOT to do with that. People aren't going to use an OS if tney can't run the software that they want to (and freeware in the repos isn't going to make up for that). The article is entirely on point when he points out ease of installation and use. Linux may have come a long way from where it once was, but it's nowhere near ready to be a serious consideration for the entire spectrum of users when looking at OS choices (THAT is what's called the market that Linux only has a very small portion of right now).
As for the "repos" being a software distribution center. Software developers are having a hard enough time as it is switching to online distribution forms such as Steam (they are a paranoid bunch). To say that the repos could easily be used to distribut paid software ignores the fact that it would have to undergo MAJOR changes before Dev's would be comfortable enough to release their software through it and not overly worry about piracy.

Just worth a small mention.

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post #126 of 577
5/21/12 at 2:04pm
Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to see Linux be a fully viable option to replace windows or mac osx (especially after this crap metro UI that MS is pushing). But it's just not there yet and without a major shift in the attitude of the community the needed changes to make it fully viable aren't going to happen. Instead of looking at what needs to change to make it widely accepted which in turn would only benefit Linux, the community get's entrenched and resists simple things like giving up the absolute REQUIREMENT for Terminal (having it as an option is different than a requirement). I just don't get it.
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5/21/12 at 2:06pm
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Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to see Linux be a fully viable option to replace windows or mac osx (especially after this crap metro UI that MS is pushing). But it's just not there yet and without a major shift in the attitude of the community the needed changes to make it fully viable aren't going to happen. Instead of looking at what needs to change to make it widely accepted which in turn would only benefit Linux, the community get's entrenched and resists simple things like giving up the absolute REQUIREMENT for Terminal (having it as an option is different than a requirement). I just don't get it.

Normal users do NOT need the terminal. It's been repeated here plenty of times now. Especially in Ubuntu who's been trying to do away with the terminal. And as I said, unless you're making changes to the system, the terminal does not need to be touched one bit.

Get over that already.
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5/21/12 at 2:33pm
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I wouldn't say Linux on the desktop is dead, but progress in terms of real usability has been agonizingly slow. Can't die if it hasn't really lived yet.
I first tried Linux with Mandrake 6.0 back in 1999 and honestly, my experiences have barely changed. Basic tasks that I always took for granted in Windows, or even DOS, are still a chore in most Linux distros, while documentation is still sporadic and sketchy for novice users. For many, including myself, the advantages of Linux are too small to warrant the investment in time and effort in mastering the OS.

I agree with this. I have to use Unix/FreeBSD in my daily work, but it's always a pain to do things that were so much easier and straightforward to do with a GUI.

For example, today I'm using Mercurial in FreeBSD, and need to move changes from one branch to another. Having used another source control with a GUI, this was fairly easy, as you just submit your changes to your branch, and go to the other branch and grab the changes and merge them in. Here's only part of what I found if I want to do this in Mercurial:
Code:
#!/bin/sh

MESSAGE="$1"
PATCH="$2"

# This performs an in-place (-i) modification of the $PATCH file
sed -e's,^\(--- a/\)\|\(+++ b/\),&hgext/,' \
    -e'/^diff --git/s,a/\(.*\) b/\(.*\),a/hgext/\1 b/hgext/\2,' \
    -e's,^\(rename\|copy\) \(from\|to\) ,&hgext/', \
    -i "$PATCH"

Honestly, how many people understand the above text, and how is this user-friendly in the even the slightest way? Unix/Linux can be very powerful for a power-user, but it will never be popular compared to your other OSes because of the learning curve.
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post #129 of 577
5/21/12 at 2:42pm
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Honestly, how many people understand the above text, and how is this user-friendly in the even the slightest way?
I do! thumb.gif

I work with AIX, Solaris, Red Hat. Server 2003, and Server 2008 R2 weekly.... they are about the same in the end. They manage your hardware resources to run programs.

No one OS is the best. Each have their strengths and weakness.... it is what works for you.

GUI vs CLI.... there is always a trade-off/balance about complexity and ease.... again... what works for you.
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5/21/12 at 2:53pm
All I have to say is if DirectX was ported to linux (not going to happen), or game dev's start relying on OpenGL then I will drop windows in a heartbeat. Valve making their source games and steam on linux is making it easier, but sadly I still play a few other developers titles.
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Yeah, but that doesn't count. You might as well be Jesus, Duckie. thumb.gif
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