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Originally Posted by chemicalfan View Post

Sorry for the double post, but this is rubbish. Bubba - Might I suggest that you try installing Ubuntu in a VM or something before making a statement like that? I'd argue that the Ubuntu installer is just as easy to work as Windows (you don't have to mess about with a product key or activation either)

Maybe there has been some kind of drastic change in the past 10 months (since I tried meerkat) but I highly doubt it. Before I wired my house with Cat 6 and I was using a WNA1000 on my main pc, the last time I tried to install ubuntu it took me half a day of jumping through hoops trying to get it to work. I finally had to unplug the computer, take it into the room with the router and plug it in so I could get online to do the steps needed to get it going (the wifi). If I were an average joe I would have given up long before that point and thrown the disk out. Personally I like Mint (I'll probably spend the weekend playing with 13 now that it's out) but that's just my preference and even Mint is a pain to get some wifi adapters working. And that's the whole point I'm making. Linux may be great once it's up and going and everything is properly set up, but that's not ALWAYS an easy process. I'll say it once MORE, I really do hope that mindsets can be on making Linux as easy to setup and run as the other guys. I would LOVE to be able to completely ditch windows (I refuse to use Win 8 anyways after using that crap of a ui called metro) and go completely with linux. I will say this. I love my android tablet and I hope ICS and beyond brings together all the fragmentation.
    
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rolleyes.gif And you made an assumption that simply because I made a criticism of it that I "dislike" it. You know what they say about assuming. And there may be 10 pages of posts "claiming" how easy it is but I dare you to take 20 average NON computer geek types, give them each a CD/DVD of the distro of your choice, ask them to go home and install it on their computer and use it. Then ask them in a week how many are still using it.
edit - And then ask them how many successfully got it up and running completely without going online to a forum to search for help.

Your not criticizing you're ozing contempt, though you didn't come right out and say it like you did about we bubble headed appleite's.

I and others have done that..thats the point you don't WANT to grasp..

I personally had to google to Windows to install, I still can't get both my monitors functional under Windows. I had to google to figure out how to uninstall an ATI driver that was crashing my system. I had to google to figure out how to boot windows into safe mode so I could well boot. But I don't come on to forums and tell people that windows doesn't wrk for the average user because they have to google stuff to figure it out.

This artical made me install Fedora last night (my old linux standby) took about 20 minutes, everything worked VPN and all. Fedora read my 5 Mac HDD's and my Windows drive which is better than OSX even. Fully funtional desktop from empty partition half hour, just like OSX.
 
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A half hour? It takes me 15 minutes to install Windows 7 and have almost all of my programs downloaded again. It takes me longer to take a crap:D
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Is it a rite of passage for all tech journalists to put up a story on this topic at least once in their careers?
    
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Because you think Windows, I can do very little in windows beyond office productivity.

Acclimation certainly has something to do with it, but I didn't really start dabbling in Linux that long after Windows, and Windows was far from my first OS.
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post #196 of 577
+ installing all your peripheral drivers such as sound card,USB.30 graphics,Ethernet card.and wireless card FROM DISK.
Ubuntu took me 30 Minutes to install all my sound card wireless card drivers working from the start.Windows toll 25 Minutes PLUS installing all of my drivers form disks.
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Acclimation certainly has something to do with it, but I didn't really start dabbling in Linux that long after Windows, and Windows was far from my first OS.

you used intimate knowledge..

If you're old enough windows isn't anyones first OS. Linux isn't either being the kernal wasn't released until '91 I believe and then only with a few.

Windows requires a way of thinking, that once you get it it's resonably simple going forward. Things like regedit to me are more complicated than "system/library/extensions" to accomplish the same task. But my perspective is 10+ years away Windows so thats expected.

I remember when MS was big and evil, now for me Apple is approaching that point and I don't much like it. Thats why I posted the artical I was doing research for alternative for my daily use programs to slowly start replacing OSX.
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I don't like Linux just because every little thing you do it a battle. Its understandable because there aren't big companies behind it, but I like that when I want to do a fresh install of windows it gets all the drivers for me and it works. I like that when I go to install software there is an installer that does the work for me. And I like that there is more software for OS X and Windows.
It most certainly is not dead though. There will always be people using it. But I won't be one of those people. I don't see any gain in using it, except for how customizable it is, which I don't have the patience for.

Windows doesn't get all the drivers for me, I have to manually download the nVidia drivers for my machine at least.

As for uphill battle, as far as I'm aware installing drivers on any of the buntus is ridiculously easy (You have an AMD GPU so that may be the problem) and most are already pre-installed.
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The main issue with Linux is they ignore gamer.and no wine isn't gona cut it.they need the number one rule in techno:the k.I.s.s rule.keep it stupid simple.I tried it.I can go set regedit setting in windows but I cant do basic stuff in Linux.
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If you can use the registry and regedit in Windows fine, then you're almost definitely going to be fine doing nearly anything in Linux.
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All I'll say is that you're right on a lot of counts when it comes to the server market. Desktop though, just because you're hardware works out of the box doesn't mean everyone's does. The forums are filled with people needing advice because one thing or another doesn't work out of the box.

I could no doubt find the same thing with Windows. For the most part, a lot of hardware does work ootb without any tweaking; I'm not sure for 3G modems and TV Tuners are a bit hit or miss but any popular, recent WiFi chipset usually works fine.
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THERE IS A VERY GOOD REASON LINUX IS NOT WIDELY ADOPTED BY CONSUMERS/PC USERS AND THAT IS BECAUSE IT IS NOT AS EASY TO INSTALL AND OPERATE AS MUCH AS THE COMPETITION.

I'd actually wager that Ubuntu is easier to install than Windows 7; as for drivers and programs...Well, you install say, Linux Mint, reboot after the installations done and chances are you've got a fully working system, as opposed to needing to download GPU drivers, Flash, etc in Windows.

My mother's happily using Mint right now; she's the very definition of "average joe" as all she does is facebook, e-banking, email and TV show streaming. She's happier with Linux than she was with Windows and all I did was literally install it, put the WiFi password in, set her email up and then finally show her how to use the software centre.

And remember, just because Ubuntu doesn't work fine ootb on your hardware; doesn't mean it won't on everyones. wink.gif
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true, linux is dead on desktop, actually it was never alive in the first place.
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Originally Posted by drbaltazar View Post

The main issue with Linux is they ignore gamer.and no wine isn't gona cut it.they need the number one rule in techno:the k.I.s.s rule.keep it stupid simple.I tried it.I can go set regedit setting in windows but I cant do basic stuff in Linux.
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...No, game developers generally ignore Linux because it does not support DirectX. OpenGL does not prioritize game developers so most have moved to DX.
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Originally Posted by Rubers View Post

I know people who haven't touched Windows in 15 years.
Lies!

Windows runs more than desktops...... ATMs often run Windows as well. (I don't know why since Linux would be more lightweight...)
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