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Things I use Linux for:
- Web browsing
- Some homework
- Watching videos/movies

Things I use Windows for:
- Gaming
- Some homework

I find myself booting into Linux most often because I just don't have that much work that requires Windows. If I can do it in Linux, I don't bother with Windows. Libre Office is a suitable substitute to MS Office 90% of the time. The only time I use Windows for something I can do in Linux is if I was already doing something in Windows. Linux is my go-to OS for media. Find the right program in the Ubuntu Software Center, and you're set.
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Lolpcworld, they wrote an article on why our next computers should be Macs, no offense to Mac users.
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Why linux is dead? Jeez, this TOPIC should be dead...
50 pages ranting and discussing about an old fact...
 
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Ya'll need to make up your minds. You "flame" the author of the article and me for agreeing with him (on this point, not the "linux is dead" part), when he points out "user friendliness" as a serious drawback of Linux , telling me it's "just as easy to install and run as windows". And your arguing about how if people find Linux "hard" they should not be lazy and pull out some manual or "man" and learn how to do what they need. Which is it? Linux is so easy grandma can use it? Or Linux can be difficult but there's a manual to read if you're not lazy?

Edit - So let's summarize my recent install of Mint 13. Programs going straight to "sleeping" and don't seem to want to "wake" up, the sound card isn't working, and it doesn't load a driver for the WNA1000 wifi adapter (I tried again) so without an ether connection youre SOL. Now I can't seem to get it to add the network printer (I'm going to have to take a half hour to read through all of the posts online about that with instructions). So I in NO WAY say that "Linux Sux" or "Linux is Dead" or even "I don't like Linux" and I'll troubleshoot and work through these issues until I get it set up correctly but it irks me a little when people say it's "just as easy" to install and use as windows and Mac (Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are red tailed devils but they did make noob friendly products).
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Originally Posted by .:hybrid:. View Post

What are you trying to say, that because Linux is harder its better? Windows is stupid because it uses GUI instead of terminal? Lol windoze virus xDD
I hope you realize those statements just make Linux users look bad, your not doing yourself any favours.

Actually they don't make Linux users look bad..

Please keep in mind harder is relative, because you believe something mis more difficult doesn't mean I do..
 
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Quote:
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Ya'll need to make up your minds. You "flame" the author of the article and me for agreeing with him (on this point, not the "linux is dead" part), when he points out "user friendliness" as a serious drawback of Linux , telling me it's "just as easy to install and run as windows". And your arguing about how if people find Linux "hard" they should not be lazy and pull out some manual or "man" and learn how to do what they need. Which is it? Linux is so easy grandma can use it? Or Linux can be difficult but there's a manual to read if you're not lazy?
Edit - So let's summarize my recent install of Mint 13. Programs going straight to "sleeping" and don't seem to want to "wake" up, the sound card isn't working, and it doesn't load a driver for the WNA1000 wifi adapter (I tried again) so without an ether connection youre SOL. Now I can't seem to get it to add the network printer (I'm going to have to take a half hour to read through all of the posts online about that with instructions). So I in NO WAY say that "Linux Sux" or "Linux is Dead" or even "I don't like Linux" and I'll troubleshoot and work through these issues until I get it set up correctly but it irks me a little when people say it's "just as easy" to install and use as windows and Mac (Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are red tailed devils but they did make noob friendly products).

Depending on which distro and what you want to do it can be both, and you know that..

Did you get your sound card working..I think for you it's time time to ditch ubuntu and it derivatives and go with fedora.
 
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Originally Posted by UltraVolta425 View Post

Why linux is dead? Jeez, this TOPIC should be dead...
50 pages ranting and discussing about an old fact...

If the topic is dead why are people having fun discussing it? You can always read another thread.

Quote:
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Depending on which distro and what you want to do it can be both, and you know that..
Did you get your sound card working..I think for you it's time time to ditch ubuntu and it derivatives and go with fedora.

I don't know that. I know for me, being a computer geek, it can be relatively "easy" to use, but my capabilities are quite a bit above what a non computer geeks capabilities are I would like to think.

I haven't worked on the sound card issue at all. Spent yesterday installing mint and OSX in virtual machines. I'll probably work on it tomorrow. I was thinking of trying the latest Opensuse as well. I prefer the KDE desktop anyways.
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If the topic is dead why are people having fun discussing it? You can always read another thread.
I don't know that. I know for me, being a computer geek, it can be relatively "easy" to use, but my capabilities are quite a bit above what a non computer geeks capabilities are I would like to think.
I haven't worked on the sound card issue at all. Spent yesterday installing mint and OSX in virtual machines. I'll probably work on it tomorrow. I was thinking of trying the latest Opensuse as well. I prefer the KDE desktop anyways.

SUSE never works well for me..

Linux can be easy enough for your grandma and difficult enough to make geeks cry it just depends on what you're looking for.
 
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@Bubba: You ever think that the reason a distro may be "hard" is because it tries to be "easy"? I remember someone told me that a when I started out 2 years ago on Linux and I thought he was smoking something. After getting to really try Arch/Archbang I can tell you that there is something to it. Your problems with buntu, Fedora, SUSE may be because they try to do things for you that they can't because they're not as smart as you. This is one thing people complain about with Windows at times is when Windows does something they don't want it to. Why? Because in attempting to be user friendly it assumes you're too dumb to know what to do even if you had the choice. This is why I find Linux easier at times. It's all about balance bubba...Windows and OSX are moving further and further from allowing a user to be in control and helping them exert that control. This also allows them to do things without you knowing...say backtracks into Skype and your OS itself. So to answer your question...Linux can be so easy Grandma can use it if she's never been exposed to Windows and she has Linux on hardware that is known to work with Linux. It would be like throwing Grandma on a Hackintosh that was never setup right or even letting her be with windows. None of those scenarios will work out well. So is any easier? Is any better? Linux's problem is simply it's still too much from the view of a programmer for programmers. When you make man pages or hell a wiki that is not intimidating to people then you don't need to have "smart" programs that try and do everything for everyone (and likely fail/become bloated and slow) because then people will be able to do things on their own and probably understand and be better able to think about how to fix the next problem. Sure it sounds like it's not plug and play simple but it would solve a lot more problems and in the long run waste less time than people waiting around for some quick fix that fixes things fast but erases or complicates other things.

I need to stop writing on here since no one agrees understands me. frown.gif

@GermanyChris: Fedora would likely be worse for him. It's almost a "FOSS" only mentality which means if he's got a piece of hardware that's being problematic in buntu (likely because it's proprietary soundcard added on right?)...then it's likely going to be more difficult to work in Fedora. Again ask your questions in the Linux section and we'll help you if we can.
     
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@Bubba: You ever think that the reason a distro may be "hard" is because it tries to be "easy"? I remember someone told me that a when I started out 2 years ago on Linux and I thought he was smoking something. After getting to really try Arch/Archbang I can tell you that there is something to it. Your problems with buntu, Fedora, SUSE may be because they try to do things for you that they can't because they're not as smart as you. This is one thing people complain about with Windows at times is when Windows does something they don't want it to. Why? Because in attempting to be user friendly it assumes you're too dumb to know what to do even if you had the choice. This is why I find Linux easier at times. It's all about balance bubba...Windows and OSX are moving further and further from allowing a user to be in control and helping them exert that control. This also allows them to do things without you knowing...say backtracks into Skype and your OS itself. So to answer your question...Linux can be so easy Grandma can use it if she's never been exposed to Windows and she has Linux on hardware that is known to work with Linux. It would be like throwing Grandma on a Hackintosh that was never setup right or even letting her be with windows. None of those scenarios will work out well. So is any easier? Is any better? Linux's problem is simply it's still too much from the view of a programmer for programmers. When you make man pages or hell a wiki that is not intimidating to people then you don't need to have "smart" programs that try and do everything for everyone (and likely fail/become bloated and slow) because then people will be able to do things on their own and probably understand and be better able to think about how to fix the next problem. Sure it sounds like it's not plug and play simple but it would solve a lot more problems and in the long run waste less time than people waiting around for some quick fix that fixes things fast but erases or complicates other things.
I need to stop writing on here since no one agrees with me. frown.gif
@GermanyChris: Fedora would likely be worse for him. It's almost a "FOSS" only mentality which means if he's got a piece of hardware that's being problematic in buntu (likely because it's proprietary soundcard added on right?)...then it's likely going to be more difficult to work in Fedora. Again ask your questions in the Linux section and we'll help you if we can.

I don't disagree with you for the most part. I HATE that osx and now apparently windows take choices away from you. My original point though was that Linux is not as widely adopted by the whole world as much as windows or mac because there's an element of difficulty installing and sometimes "using" Linux (all dependent on which hardware you're using) that can be a major turn off for those that are not computer geeks like us. But that is just IMHO.
    
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