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Yes, I'm aware, but I didn't get my answer. I was careful with my bump.
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The new i3/i5/i7's use BCLK instead of FSB. The BCLK is responsible for affecting the speed of more components of your computer, and is very sensitive to slight increases in speed, meaning that generally any overclock via this method only gives a few percent increase in CPU speed (e.g. 2-8%). This means that the old method of overclocking by increasing the FSB no longer works, leaving increasing the multiplier as the only way of getting a meaningful overclock. For their consumer socket (1155), Intel sells one i5 and one i7 that have unlocked multis (these are the k models). There are no unlocked i3's and the i3 also doesn't have a turbo boost for when only one core is running.

I'm well aware of this. But with FSB overclocking, you just turn down the multi of RAM, IMC, HT Link. Can you not do this on lga 1155 systems?

i've seen a hundred people say you cant overclock on non-Black edition, or that non-black edition is somehow harder to overclock than multi overclocking (doing something lazier/incorrectly imo doesnt mean its easier), so it's more of an issue of I don't know if the information I'm seeing in my searches is trustworthy.
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As far as AMD goes these days, their desktop CPU range (excluding APUs, ie. FX series) all have unlocked multipliers.

I meant AM3, I'll edit that.
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Yes, I'm aware, but I didn't get my answer. I was careful with my bump.
I'm well aware of this. But with FSB overclocking, you just turn down the multi of RAM, IMC, HT Link. Can you not do this on lga 1155 systems?
i've seen a hundred people say you cant overclock on non-Black edition, or that non-black edition is somehow harder to overclock than multi overclocking (doing something lazier/incorrectly imo doesnt mean its easier), so it's more of an issue of I don't know if the information I'm seeing in my searches is trustworthy.
I meant AM3, I'll edit that.


You can change RAM multi, etc on 1155 systems but that is not the issue. BCLK on 1155 changes the frequency to just about everything. SATA, PCI-E, USB, RAM, CPU, and some others I'm forgetting. Moving the BCLK past 100 for 24/7 use isn't safe because it can damage your components in the long run. That's why there are K processors where you can just change the multi, you don't need the BCLK for anything unless it's extreme LN2 OC'ing/benching.
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I dont know,.. can you? tongue.gif
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^ well that's because that's a 550 -_-

A 4.4 gh i3 550 is going to be comparable to an ib i3 or so, i believe? or sb-i3?
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You can change RAM multi, etc on 1155 systems but that is not the issue. BCLK on 1155 changes the frequency to just about everything. SATA, PCI-E, USB, RAM, CPU, and some others I'm forgetting. Moving the BCLK past 100 for 24/7 use isn't safe because it can damage your components in the long run. That's why there are K processors where you can just change the multi, you don't need the BCLK for anything unless it's extreme LN2 OC'ing/benching.

Right, but can't you downclock these components too? I'm guessing that would require a better motherboard, and maybe you'd need a special motherboard that had SATA, PCI-E, etc slots that could handle such high overclocks, or had options to increase voltages to them, but is there not a motherboard that can do that? Is it just impossible to significantly overclock the i3?

God that blows. maybe phenom ii is still better than going intel for the price -_-
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^ well that's because that's a 550 -_-
A 4.4 gh i3 550 is going to be comparable to an ib i3 or so, i believe? or sb-i3?
Right, but can't you downclock these components too? I'm guessing that would require a better motherboard, and maybe you'd need a special motherboard that had SATA, PCI-E, etc slots that could handle such high overclocks, or had options to increase voltages to them, but is there not a motherboard that can do that? Is it just impossible to significantly overclock the i3?
God that blows. maybe phenom ii is still better than going intel for the price -_-

Simply put. No.

An IB i3 is on par with Phenom II quads in just about all tasks at stock. To give you an idea of how slow Phenom II is, Core2 is still faster/on par clock vs clock compared to it.
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An IB i3 is on par with Phenom II quads in just about all tasks at stock. To give you an idea of how slow Phenom II is, Core2 is still faster/on par clock vs clock compared to it.

Your comparing apples and oranges. Why do people insist on comparing two totally different processors? You don't compare a ferrari with a civiv, and then talk about how 'slow' the civic is.

An i3 is about 50% more expensive than a Phenom ii x4. A Phenom II is more in line in both price and performance to a G860, not an i3.

On top of that, the Phenom ii can overclock, and at a significant amount, so you can make that Phenom comparable to an i3.

Also, while the i3 and mildly OC Phenom ii are pretty neck and neck on everything, the Phenom ii beats the i3 in h264 first pass and second pass performance by over 50%. Both a Phenom ii and an i3, or hell an athlon ii or pentium, will play any modern game quite well.

But you aren't going to be able to stream HD on anything less than $200 by Intel.

I would always recommend Intel when it comes to gaming or general builds. But if you do streaming, and are on a budget, Phenom ii and Athlon ii are amazing CPUs. Both of them, like their comparably priced Intel counterparts, will crush any modern video game (of course, an i3 or i5 will be an improvement, but your still getting 60+ average fps and 40+ minimum fps in all games).

And an i3 is not noticeably better than a Phenom x4 with a very mild OC.

So please stop saying i3 is better than a phenom ii x4. No **** it is. It's also about double the cost when you factor in the motherboard. The i3 does not even have 10% on the phenom ii x4 in most applications, and when it comes to gaming, the i3 wins out in a few games (less than 10% difference), the Phenom ii actually wins a couple, and most games they are neck and neck. Give a bigger 4ghz/2.6ghzNB overclock and the Phenom will be much better, not to mention it stomps Intel for streaming Xsplit/Obs/Ffsplit.
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Your comparing apples and oranges. Why do people insist on comparing two totally different processors? You don't compare a ferrari with a civiv, and then talk about how 'slow' the civic is.
An i3 is about 50% more expensive than a Phenom ii x4. A Phenom II is more in line in both price and performance to a G860, not an i3.
On top of that, the Phenom ii can overclock, and at a significant amount, so you can make that Phenom comparable to an i3.
Also, while the i3 and mildly OC Phenom ii are pretty neck and neck on everything, the Phenom ii beats the i3 in h264 first pass and second pass performance by over 50%. Both a Phenom ii and an i3, or hell an athlon ii or pentium, will play any modern game quite well.
But you aren't going to be able to stream HD on anything less than $200 by Intel.
I would always recommend Intel when it comes to gaming or general builds. But if you do streaming, and are on a budget, Phenom ii and Athlon ii are amazing CPUs. Both of them, like their comparably priced Intel counterparts, will crush any modern video game (of course, an i3 or i5 will be an improvement, but your still getting 60+ average fps and 40+ minimum fps in all games).
And an i3 is not noticeably better than a Phenom x4 with a very mild OC.
So please stop saying i3 is better than a phenom ii x4. No **** it is. It's also about double the cost when you factor in the motherboard. The i3 does not even have 10% on the phenom ii x4 in most applications, and when it comes to gaming, the i3 wins out in a few games (less than 10% difference), the Phenom ii actually wins a couple, and most games they are neck and neck. Give a bigger 4ghz/2.6ghzNB overclock and the Phenom will be much better, not to mention it stomps Intel for streaming Xsplit/Obs/Ffsplit.

Wow take that out of proportion much? You were the one that brought up IB i3s and Phenom II's. By the way I bought my current i3 + motherboard for $150 so it is in no way shape or form "double the cost" of a comparable Phenom II setup, unless you are telling me you can get a motherboard + X4 CPU for $75? Please.

This thread is done. The OP's question was answered long ago, and we already answered your question so if you have any further questions create your own thread.
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Wow take that out of proportion much? You were the one that brought up IB i3s and Phenom II's. By the way I bought my current i3 + motherboard for $150 so it is in no way shape or form "double the cost" of a comparable Phenom II setup, unless you are telling me you can get a motherboard + X4 CPU for $75? Please.

And I bought my CPU + Motherboard for less than $65 after shipping. Just because you got your i3 for one price or another doesn't change anything, and obviously if you can find a chip on discount, it changes price dynamics and what it's worth. If you can find a Bulldozer CPU for $80 then obviously that's going to be a better buy than anything intel, but that's not a very reliable assumption to make or to go off when comparing CPUs.

There's an obvious 'market value' to every CPU, both used and new. A used i3 is still 50% more expensive than a used phenom x4, a new i3 is still 50% more than a new phenom x4.

You say the i3 is on par with the phenom at stock. And costs almost twice as much, so yea, I'd say the Phenom ii is a much better CPU than a i3 as long as you are overclocking and/or streaming.
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Originally Posted by Faded_Mantis View Post

Intel sells one i5 and one i7 that have unlocked multis (these are the k models).

This is incorrect. There are 3 i7 "k" models, (2600k, 2700k, 3770k) and 3 i5 "k" models (2550k, 2500k, 3570k).
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