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ASUS VS 228H-P Ghosting?

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Hello,

I recently bought this ASUS VS 228H-P and at first everything seemed to be great with it, but then I started to play Diablo 3, and that is where I started to notice blurring and pixelation in the light sources while in movement, a closer inspection made me see blurring/pixelation everywhere. So I tried this test:

http://www.prad.de/images/monitore/testsoftware/schlieren.jpg

Basically what happens is, even if I move it around slowly, I will see pixelation, where I can see the pixels going slightly "greenish" and creating a visible net of pixels, if I move it fast I don't think I notice too much ghosting since I have never seen ghosting before, but I think I do see a little trail left by the red square.

I searched online for hours and could not find any complain about the ASUS VS 228H-P having any ghosting or this blurring/pixelation I am seeing. Does anyone have this monitor or knows about this monitor problems?

Other notes: Changing the HDMI cable produces the same results.

Or perhaps I just got a bad one?. What do you guys think?

Thank you,

Oscar
Edited by oscarmk - 5/21/12 at 7:42pm
post #2 of 10
All LCDs have ghosting, just some worse than others. I think it's somewhat obvious to see on many models, particularly for a more synthetic test like dragging that red rectangle around, but anyway, it just bothers some people more so than others. Some monitors also have reverse ghosting from excessive overdrive. Seeing a greenish trail suggests reverse ghosting actually.

It's strange that you don't see it as much when you move faster though.

Go into the monitor menu and mess around with the Trace Free setting, which controls the amount of overdrive. No setting is going to fix everything, but there might be a different setting that looks a little better to you. I think usually Trace Free 40 or 60 looks the best, though it probably depends on the specific model (I use 60 on a different model). The max setting, 100, is pretty lol. Hopefully you have it on 100 for some reason, and things will look a lot better with it on something lower.
Edited by mikeaj - 5/22/12 at 12:21am
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Originally Posted by mikeaj View Post

All LCDs have ghosting, just some worse than others. I think it's somewhat obvious to see on many models, particularly for a more synthetic test like dragging that red rectangle around, but anyway, it just bothers some people more so than others. Some monitors also have reverse ghosting from excessive overdrive. Seeing a greenish trail suggests reverse ghosting actually.
It's strange that you don't see it as much when you move faster though.
Go into the monitor menu and mess around with the Trace Free setting, which controls the amount of overdrive. No setting is going to fix everything, but there might be a different setting that looks a little better to you. I think usually Trace Free 40 or 60 looks the best, though it probably depends on the specific model (I use 60 on a different model). The max setting, 100, is pretty lol. Hopefully you have it on 100 for some reason, and things will look a lot better with it on something lower.

Hi Mikeaj thank you for your reply, I didn't know about reverse ghosting but that could be the cause, when I move it faster it becomes harder to see it which is odd like you pointed out.

I am at work atm, but I will try to find that trace setting and move it hopefully that helps out smile.gif. I have a PC and a Macbook Pro at work, I just tried the same test on both and I cannot see the greenish pixelation at all. So it is definitely not normal.
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I am looking for a trace free setting or OD everywhere in the MENU but I don't have that option frown.gif
post #5 of 10
Oh whoops. Asus and their nonsensical product segmentation and naming strikes again.

http://www.manualowl.com/m/Asus/VS228H-P/Manual/249666?page=16

I checked the manual (above), and it says Trace Free setting is available on VS238H-P and VS247H-P, but not VS228H-P. I know it's also on VS229H-P and VS239H-P and VS248H-P (the latter for which I saw a thread here), even some of the professional models like PA246Q, of course the 3D ones like VG236H, and some older models. It's not on some of the lower-end models, and I know it's not on VS229H or VS239H, so I assumed the -P maybe meant that it had this feature, for the VS series.

Don't even ask, since I haven't a clue.
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Originally Posted by mikeaj View Post

Oh whoops. Asus and their nonsensical product segmentation and naming strikes again.
http://www.manualowl.com/m/Asus/VS228H-P/Manual/249666?page=16
I checked the manual (above), and it says Trace Free setting is available on VS238H-P and VS247H-P, but not VS228H-P. I know it's also on VS229H-P and VS239H-P and VS248H-P (the latter for which I saw a thread here), even some of the professional models like PA246Q, of course the 3D ones like VG236H, and some older models. It's not on some of the lower-end models, and I know it's not on VS229H or VS239H, so I assumed the -P maybe meant that it had this feature, for the VS series.
Don't even ask, since I haven't a clue.

Oh well... no idea what is going on then. But it is pretty noticeable just dragging windows around there is blurring and the edges and "greenish" pixelation.
post #7 of 10
Usually the cheap 5ms (usually 5ms TN=lack of proper over drive=ghosting) TN panels (especially the 22"- models) are meant for mom's and grand parents for the most basic PC use, not gaming.

Return it and get an Asus VH236H, Asus VW246H, VS22/239H (IPS panel), VS247/8H, these are all Asus models meant for gaming.
Edited by MenacingTuba - 5/22/12 at 9:15pm
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post #8 of 10
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Usually the cheap 5ms (usually 5ms TN=lack of proper over drive=ghosting) TN panels (especially the 22"- models) are meant for mom's and grand parents for the most basic PC use, not gaming.
Return it and get an Asus VH236H, Asus VW246H, VS22/239H (IPS panel), VS247/8H, these are all Asus models meant for gaming.

I can no longer return it where I bought it =(, I cant believe I didnt notice early it really is just noticeable in Diablo 3 because all the small objects and the environments.

Does asus have like a satisfaction money back guarantee? i could try that.
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if I move it fast I don't think I notice too much ghosting since I have never seen ghosting before, but I think I do see a little trail left by the red square.g.gif

I assume you have the same monitor?. what happens for me is not so much he trail but blurring on the edges, this happens even for normal windows 7 windows that I move around, there is blurring in the edges, but the really annoying/bad part is the pixelation that happens when you move it, it is hard to describe but it like a fine mesh of enlarged pixels in "Greenish" and "reddish" color, which I can only assume it is because they don't change color fast enough.

To be fair you do have to be paying attention, and it could be you never even notice it, that is until you play a game such as Diablo 3 I suppose. Where bright light sources in dark environments will make you see the evident pixelation in the light sources at first, then a closer look will show it everywhere. This is not the pixelation issue that some people were having with some ATI cards, in this case everything is perfectly crisp and defined until you start to move...

I tried in CCC to apply additional overdrive but that actually makes it worst, so I think the problem is inverse ghosting.

Anyway the reallyyy strange thing is that this monitor has perfect reviews everywhere and the only complain is the wobbly stand it has. I don't know if I am too demanding, maybe it is just because I used to have a 2ms response monitor and this one is 5 ms, but I can really see the pixelation from time to time in gaming where there are small objects and light sources in dark environments such as Diablo 3, it is impossible to notice in MMORPG games though such as Guild Wars, so I guess that is why there are no complains, but games such as Diablo 3 make it pretty evident. It is also sometimes noticeble in Starcraft 2, but not as much.

Yesterday I decided I was just gonna cut my loses and sell this monitor in craiglist or ebay, and purchased this one from amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/BenQ-GL2450HM-24-Inch-Circuit-Console/dp/B006HIKIHO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1337879557&sr=1-1

It seems to be pretty new, but the few reviews out there say it should be pretty good, so crossing my fingers.

I plugged in 2 laptops yesterday to the same monitor to rule out any issue with the pc (if that is even possible for this kind of problem?), and I got the same results, so it has to be the monitor. I am still confused as to how NONE of the reviews mention this issue or perhaps I got a bad monitor?, I doubt it though since everything is actually perfectly crisp until there is movement seems to be just the way this monitor is....
Edited by oscarmk - 5/24/12 at 10:21am
post #10 of 10
Maybe I should make a new thread, in that case, please tell me... but I have bought VS239H and I am having problems with menu. in OSD/IMAGE, all options are gray, so probably I need to connect it through HDMI (having it connected through DVI to HD4870), but what I do not get is, I do not have Trace Free option there and I do not have any idea, how to get it there... what should be wrong. VS239H should be identical technically to VS239H-P, where P stands for EPEAT environmental certification only. Also, there is written the type of monitor VS239 in OSD, and is same as in review photos, please check. It would be nice, if the monitor would have that overdrive function at those 60 as default even if the option is not there...

http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/review-asus-vs239h-led-monitor-ips-goodness-you-and-me/setup-osd

Any ideas? Thank you.

EDIT: Well tech support told me, that with no P model is without that technology... So I am pretty sad. Good to be told is ,that when the response is not probably perfect for extreme hardcore players,I have not seen big difference in my old TN panel and this one. Played ME3, Diablo3,Battlefield3. Colours and angles were quite good though.
Edited by Wakizashis - 2/5/13 at 9:33pm
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