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Very nice build! Please post your temperature results, both CPU and Video. I was originally thinking of building an i3-2100T HTPC, and would be interested in your results, particularly with so little room left in that case.
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If you don't have it already grab a 2120T, the 2100T's now old, at least here I could find only a 2120T.
I modified a Gigabyte GV-R545SC-1GI card removing heatsink fins on the covered part (when card's facing down) and leaving the fins on the exposed part for heat exchange. That because card sits in slot 0 and I wanted to use at least one PCI slot with a riser (audio card), otherwise only slot 3 (X16 physical, X4 mode) would have been usable with a X1 riser. I have a Pericom-based X1-to-2xPCI riser card but since my Hauppauge HVR4400HD is X1 I would've needed a flexi 1U PCI+X1 riser which doesn't exist... rolleyes.gif
With the new direct-to-rear duct my i3-2120T stays cooler than before and CPUFAN runs slower even in Mediaportal. Now I have to see heat production of the Radeon 5450 card when disabled (only Samsung TV on Intel active) and HDMI enabled (Samsung TV off and Radeon on Onkyo NR906) wink.gif

EDIT: where's the AMD Overdrive function in the Catalyst CP? That was useful to check clocks if they slow down on idle... rolleyes.gif
    
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As for CPU, temp hovers around 40 degrees. Not bad considering the hot Radeon nearby and the small heatsink.
As for the GPU, it gets quite hot even while idle (i.e. it's not in sleep state when no output is active, it's a HD5450 not a 6450...), but I was concerned for the PCI ribbon cables that pass underneath the GPU heatsink, they're rated to 105°C but I don't like them to get too hot... for now they seem to handle the job warming to ~45°C (since they're on the underside and heat goes up).
I'll post pics soon biggrin.gif
Edited by pm40elys40 - 9/4/12 at 12:28pm
    
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Updated rig on my profile wink.gif now I'll see how the HD5450 goes, otherwise I'm thinkin' about putting a Asus ENGT430DC card in there biggrin.gif it is low profile and has a single slot DCU heatsink which protrudes right where I want it and points up, at least one card made well (I'll have to file out some fins anyway on the underside, but since it has a heatpipe going from the GPU chip to the external heatsink section, it should work better than my DIY HD5450 solution). But I'm not sure as per video HDMI performance... rolleyes.gif
    
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First tests with dual-card HDMI connection: thumb.gif
Ffdshow decodes or bitstreams based on the device it has to transmit to: decode for TV (max 24/48 PCM), HD bitstream for amp biggrin.gif better TV audio sync too. biggrin.gif
Auto refresh rate for almost all media (doesn't work with video files on a removable drive but that's a MP limitation), cooler quieter and more load-responsive heatsink with the new straight air duct, quicker boot and TV initializing time without the clunky old Terratec S2 card, have yet to test ASIO playback.
Overall, could we call this the SFF Beast for A/V? band.gifbiggrin.gif

Edit: testing ASIO playback works even better than before (lower buffers) biggrin.gif and even with two HDDs right under it, this ESI audio card has excellent circuit shielding, only normal hiss, no usual HDD/mobo sounds in the background... thumb.gif
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this ESI audio card has excellent circuit shielding, only normal hiss, no usual HDD/mobo sounds in the background... thumb.gif
You'll have to excuse my ignorance, but considering the audio is digital before it hits your receiver, shouldn't there be zero audible interference from the PC itself anyways?
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Audio is fully digital only when you output it from a digital port i.e. HDMI or optical/coaxial, here I made IGP HDMI connections to the TV (upgrading from DVI+onboard analog audio since Intel HD Graphics has only one HDMI port and it was already used) and Radeon HDMI to the amp to get HD audio bitstreaming along with projector video display (and correct 23.976p video).
The ESI audio card is audiophile grade and has excellent stereo analog (line) out, with outstanding bass clarity and sound detail, which integrated DAC stages on "standard" A/V receivers tend to lack (esp. bass clarity), even good ones i.e. my Onkyo NR906 with 4x TI PCM1796, very good compared to Cirrus DACs but slightly inferior to the AKM chip mounted on the ESI card. With some good stereo analog cables (and of course, a receiver with a good power stage and good speakers) you get almost the best music performance from a PC. Audiophile cards also have ASIO streaming capabilities as standard, bypassing Windows internal mixing system and allowing for what's called bitperfect playback, i.e. the card DAC is set to the sampling rate and fed with the exact data from the uncompressed audio file (or decoded lossy file). You can achieve this with almost all audio devices via a free simple ASIO wrapper (ASIO4ALL), I used it with SPDIF bitperfect playback from a cheap VIA onboard audio and it worked, but it is another software layer than can sometimes have more bugs than integrated ASIO.
As for electric noise, generally the onboard sound chip is placed in the bottom left corner of the motherboard for MicroATX, near the 4th slot for ATX, and from it there's analog traces to the jacks on the mobo backplate which pass close to all the expansion slots and usually near the LAN controller. This tends to some noise getting in the analog output from onboard audio devices, i.e. PCI bus, HDDs, LAN activity. High grade audio cards generally are designed to reduce these problems to a minimum, a little mobo hum might still get to the analog outputs with some particularly noisy or poorly shielded/designed motherboards but much lower than onboard audio. Even ground loops can account for this, in fact some cards (not only audio) have the bracket, which attaches to the case and so is electrically connected to PSU Earth Ground on AC ATX systems, decoupled from the GND shielding of the PCB itself, which is connected to mobo ground, DC- instead. Using an external power brick with insulated DC output generally solves this, since the case is now connected to DC- and decoupled from Earth Ground, but only if you don't have TV cards, since in most centralized antenna systems the main branch amplifier is connected to Earth Ground, so the antenna cable shielding is too.
Edited by pm40elys40 - 9/6/12 at 5:14am
    
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Finally loaded pics on page 1 thumb.gif
    
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Testing a Radeon HD6450 with the same heatsink.
    
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External graphics temporarily on hold while I wait for the Asus ENGT430DC-1GD3 to get here. Will test it and try to fit that good heatsink in my system biggrin.gif
For now, testing a dual audio card setup: ESI Juli@ alongside Asus Xonar D1 biggrin.gif ASIO doesn't work mad.gif slot0 will remain empty for the GT430
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