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5/24/12 at 1:14pm
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why? ivybridgde did nothing, amd should jump on it while theyre weak and try to pull ahead!

AMD is barely able to compete with Intel's last gen CPU in Nehalem, let alone Sandy Bridge, which runs faster at lower heat and power and have been dwindling in marketshare and revenue on the consumer CPU market. What makes you think they have the resources to invest in a new architecture seeing as the current one is unable to compete?

this is right. in order to have any chance at all, amd must change bulldozer, not make a whole new chip
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5/24/12 at 1:15pm
They will certainly still be competing on performance, that is how a market works. They are not most competitive in raw number crunching performance right now so they are de-emphasizing that aspect in their marketing and public statements.

On the whole Trinity is a competitive platform that plays to its strengths for certain types of workloads, workloads that are actually very common usage scenarios for many laptop users. If they can offer something with better multimedia performance and "good enough" cpu performance at a cheaper price point than they can capture a large part of the notebook market.
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5/24/12 at 1:19pm
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this is right. in order to have any chance at all, amd must change bulldozer, not make a whole new chip

A die shrink may help, but the power output and heat generated from their "8 cores" for the high end model is incredibly bad once over clocked. There are far too many issues to be addressed with BD first. I know some AMD fanboys will come in going "blah blah blah, it has 8 cores. OFC it runs hotter! If Sandy Bridge had 8 cores it would take more power and put off more heat. blah blah blah" My answer to them? "So? Who cares if AMD has 8 cores? Sandy Bridge does far more with just 4 cores and with less overall power and heat." The only thing that matters is the end result and AMD does not deliver with their current-gen offerings.
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5/24/12 at 1:21pm
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IMHO this was a lost cause the moment Core 2 was released. AMD has been a step behind it seems, ever since, Bulldozer VS Sandy Bridge was the stake through the proverbial heart.
More like it was a lost cause the moment Intel started bribing companies with P4's.
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I can't help but think most of you have purposely misconstrued these statements, just like a few months ago when there was a news thread talking about the exact same thing.
Old news, old drama... I hate to use the word, but this is a good example of sensationalist journalism. Whoever wrote this article has taken something we've already known for quite a while and blown it out of proportion. "Stirring the pot" if you will. Naturally, the Intel e-peen fanbase just licks the bowl clean when it comes to this stuff. The author has taken quotes from Rory Read referring to AMD's mobile strategies and used it to make speculations about the company's entire business model including the enthusiast desktop segment.
It's a dramatic long shot... no... just straight up silly for anyone to think that AMD is gonna just disappear from the CPU market. Get a reality check, use your head, and think again.
...and stop making mountains out of molehills.
Very,very,very much this.
Edited by Heavy MG - 5/24/12 at 1:23pm
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5/24/12 at 1:22pm
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why? ivybridgde did nothing, amd should jump on it while theyre weak and try to pull ahead!
Don't take this as an attack, but do you think AMD hasn't been/isn't trying?
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5/24/12 at 1:23pm
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5/24/12 at 1:24pm
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More like it was a lost cause the moment Intel started bribing companies with P4's.

That definitely did not help AMD during the days where they HAD the upper hand with the Athlon chips. Now just how much of an impact it really had on AMD leading up till C2D, none of us can honestly and accurately assess. AMD on the other hand, should have immediately known it needed a new and efficient architecture with the release of Core Solo and Phenom was absolutely not that.
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5/24/12 at 1:28pm
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Level the playing field to help out ARM and AMD by moving the compiler standards to a third party or board like all computer industry standards are now (IDE, SATA, PCI, USB ect.). If you have a set road map of compilers set out for the CPU manufactures, that frees up R&D funds for the development of better hardware. It also saves money in the software developer's world by only having to write to a mutually agreed upon standard. I know this would take a competitive tool away from the CPU makers but in the long run it would re-focus energies into better products and innovation thus increasing competition between the companies. This would also solve a rampant problem of BIAS in software for a certain product over another.
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5/24/12 at 1:29pm
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Level the playing field to help out ARM and AMD by moving the compiler standards to a third party or board like all computer industry standards are now (IDE, SATA, PCI, USB ect.). If you have a set road map of compilers set out for the CPU manufactures, that frees up R&D funds for the development of better hardware. It also saves money in the software developer's world by only having to write to a mutually agreed upon standard. I know this would take a competitive tool away from the CPU makers but in the long run it would re-focus energies into better products and innovation thus increasing competition between the companies. This would also solve a rampant problem of BIAS in software for a certain product over another.

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Agreed,but sadly Intel would most likely never give up the compilers as standardized sets for other companies to use like AMD,VIA,Ti,Nvidia,Samsung,etc.
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