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Just finished my rig.


I would like to use two SSD in raid 0. First I connected them on Blue Intel SATA3, created radi 0 with SLI Software RAID Configuration Utility, no problem so far.
When I tried to install Windows 8 and load SLI Raid driver for Win8, I got message that driver is not compatible x64 or something like that. tried x64 and x86 , nothing.

Intel rapid Storage Technology enterprise Option ROM utility allso doesnt work.
There is no option when to press control+I when booting, to go into the utility.
Is there something to enable in bios other than sata mode to RAID?

Marvel is allso not working.
Created Raid 0 successfully. WIndows 8 even recognize virtual drive, no drivers needed.
But when I tray to create new volume the procedure stars and doesnt end.

What am I doing wrong, really starting to give up on the raid setup?
Thanks for any advice.
post #102 of 2450
What kind of systems are you using this board for?
post #103 of 2450
just the usual, web browsing, email, solitaire, etc. wink.gif I think most people use it for video / photo editing / rendering. I myself run a cluster of VMs for some complex software projects, 1000+ threads hammering at databases etc etc. It would be nice if I could get the project to build again redface.gif



RE the raid setup, why anyone would use hardware raid is beyond me. The fact is that you are coupling your dearly important data to that particular raid controller. When your board inevitably fails, you had better hope you can find the same controller, and that the company that made it is still in business. Software raid is the way to go IMO. mdadm. If you don't have a spare controller, you're taking a huge risk, and if you care enough to raid the data in the first place, it's probably too big of a risk.


http://backdrift.org/hardware-vs-software-raid-in-the-real-world-2

"On-Disk meta data can make it near impossible to recover data without a compatible RAID card – If your controller goes casters-up you’ll have to find a compatible model to replace it with, your disks won’t be useful without the controller. This is especially bad if working with a discontinued model that has failed after years of operation"

given what I have experienced with marvell, and what I've read others experiencing, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't around 10 years from now. So you setup the marvell raid, use the board happily for say 8 years. One day the board goes, marvell no longer exists, you can't find a replacement. Now what? I hope your backup file system was under a different raid controller smile.gif or 8 years of work down the toilet
Edited by lloyd mcclendon - 2/2/13 at 9:47am
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I just wanted to use two SSD in Raid 0 for the system, just for better felling. smile.gif
I am used to speeds up to 1500 MB/s with revo drive 3 X2 on my another gaming machine. I thought I would use Raid not Revo, because of all the obvious problems you have with graphic cards and multiple pcie slots occupied.
I don see any problems even it crashes. I have complete system and software up and running in two days.
Butt I guess one SSD for the system will have to do... thumb.gif
post #105 of 2450
lloyd,

I see that "it's beyond you why anyone would use a hardware RAID..."

I've read your posts and you seem to be intelligent and quite experienced; but to me your strong conclusion about RAID is a bit puzzling. You're seeing it as kinda B&W thing where a lot of other intelligent people would be seeing it as gray. The idea that it's "...beyond me" would suggest to me that you are either 1) admitting that you are not as expert as I would have surmised from your posts, or 2) that you consider your knowledge as definitive and above the opposing and studied opinions that I have read in my own research on the subject.

It seems to me tho that on a very basic level you're promoting the principle that putting all of your eggs in one basket is not wise. I would heartily agree with you on that point.

The way I see it, when one is building a storage strategy, one must set out to to strike the most appropriate balance between performance and risk.... and that strategy is out of necessity qualified by one's budget. But not only that; but it is also qualified by one's "knowledge" of the choices. From my view, that "knowledge" factor is far more nebulous than we'd ever want to believe. I say that because the stuff that forms this knowledge is largely based on our impressions and a mixture of heresay, 2nd-hand data, and the perceptions, sales propaganda, prideful bravado, and assumptions of others (which we assign credibility to). And for the most of what we learn in this world, we're dealing with a large amount of questionable input.

I looked at the same Marvell company that you did. And my "knowledge" of them has been largely formed from my impression of their company and their products based on forums and reading other internet babble about peoples' Marvell issues. I would imagine that your own impression of them and their products is second hand as well. You see a very positive view of the quality of their products, their longevity as an on going entity, and the immutability of their programming strategy going forward. And it seems you assume that such a foundation ensures a predictable support environment for the future of a current Marvell software RAID configuration. Yet I look and see something different. I've read enough negative things about their chipset being problematic on our particular board that I was wary when configuring my own system. And indeed in my initial testing I did have my own issues with the chipset. Now I had no way of predicting or verifying what their support structure will be in the future toward addressing a RAID failure- I could only assume. I only know that I was only too happy to avoid my troublesome Marvell subsystem by using only the Intel chipset and to employ a hardware RAID controller the my research justified buying. Certainly there were many other factors that I considered. Rendering efficiency for large video composites was one of the primary factors. And after a almost a year in service, I am happy with the performance I've experienced. And so far it has been reliable. And of course I'm hopeful that my controller card is quality enough to never be a problem. But we can say that about each and every piece of HW and SW (and their synergy) we've spec'd for our builds. There are numerous potential failure modes now and in the future including new OS, drivers and incompatible hardware we bring into the mix. And users of this particular complicated MoBo have varied experiences with it. And we haven't even talked about the innumerable enemies of our data coming from software/hardware corruption, virus attack, acts of God, using large/dense consumer HDDs, etc...

In any case, I made sure that my own storage strategy included redundancy beyond the meager amount that any RAID setup offers - it includes rotating two hot-swappable BU disks, and offsite. That is a reasonable approach considering what I think I know, my budget, the relative importance of the data, etc..

I believe that the RAID approach anyone takes, whether hardware or software, is justified by the application. There are pros and cons for each and one's own application determines their particular weight. But risk always needs to be mitigated. Nothing is perfect; but we should do the best we can. In my view, reconstructing a RAID array should not be the primary strategy for dealing with a controller failure (just a last resort). So whichever is adequate or not at reconstruction is really beside the point. My personal recommendation would be to rely on one (or more) backups of our data on at least one quality disk. And that approach is valid whether prime storage is HW RAID, SW RAID or a more simple drive setup.

Thank you for your input on this board. Cheers.

BlackenedTush
Edited by BlackenedTush - 2/3/13 at 7:53pm
post #106 of 2450
Hi guys,

Just thought i'd relink the Asus ROG thread as it has been more active than this one lately. http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?27225-ASUS-Z9PE-D8-WS-Issues-detecting-Quadro-K5000-amp-GTX-6XX-series-GPUs-%28Q-Code-62%29&p=220802&viewfull=1#post220802

Summary as follows;

ASUS acknowledged the following -

They can't get the Quadro K5000 working with unregistered RAM (then again we can't get it working with either reg or non-reg RAM)
There are issues with GTX 6XX series GPUs not of their making (EVGA/MSI/etc). Suspect it is how they've programmed their VBIOS to lock the PCIe gen.
Suggested that for 690's, the PLX would need to be flashed (which has been a known fix for a LONG time now).

Note; no response has been provided regarding just what the 3402 beta SBIOS is meant to do, still waiting on this.

EVGA commented on the following -

They have a fix for the GTX 680, this fix locks the Gen that PCIe runs at (3.0 in this case) which works around the SBIOS limitations. EVGA will give out the PLX ROM update to those who ask, not requiring the card to be sent back.

nVidia -

Stated they are working with ASUS to resolve the issues.

On a personal note, I have also noted the Tesla K20 suffers from a spontaneous reboot problem once a day. I suspect this to be a hardware conflict with the device driver - much like the Corsair I series watercoolers and their software. I've removed the K20 (actually selling it for the time being) as having a device which crashes the machine only compounds the problems i'm seeking to have resolved, I can always come back to this later. The K5000 is still suffering from detection - i've removed it and installed the GTX 480 for the moment as none of the programs used for rendering presently take advantage of the GPU.
     
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Very Impressive looking rig tomboy.
I love that Cosmos case and the clean lines it promotes. Great job!
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lloyd,

I see that "it's beyond you why anyone would use a hardware RAID..."

I've read your posts and you seem to be intelligent and quite experienced; but to me your strong conclusion about RAID is a bit puzzling. You're seeing it as kinda B&W thing where a lot of other intelligent people would be seeing it as gray. The idea that it's "...beyond me" would suggest to me that you are either 1) admitting that you are not as expert as I would have surmised from your posts, or 2) that you consider your knowledge as definitive and above the opposing and studied opinions that I have read in my own research on the subject.

It seems to me tho that on a very basic level you're promoting the principle that putting all of your eggs in one basket is not wise. I would heartily agree with you on that point.

The way I see it, when one is building a storage strategy, one must set out to to strike the most appropriate balance between performance and risk.... and that strategy is out of necessity qualified by one's budget. But not only that; but it is also qualified by one's "knowledge" of the choices. From my view, that "knowledge" factor is far more nebulous than we'd ever want to believe. I say that because the stuff that forms this knowledge is largely based on our impressions and a mixture of heresay, 2nd-hand data, and the perceptions, sales propaganda, prideful bravado, and assumptions of others (which we assign credibility to). And for the most of what we learn in this world, we're dealing with a large amount of questionable input.

I looked at the same Marvell company that you did. And my "knowledge" of them has been largely formed from my impression of their company and their products based on forums and reading other internet babble about peoples' Marvell issues. I would imagine that your own impression of them and their products is second hand as well. You see a very positive view of the quality of their products, their longevity as an on going entity, and the immutability of their programming strategy going forward. And it seems you assume that such a foundation ensures a predictable support environment for the future of a current Marvell software RAID configuration. Yet I look and see something different. I've read enough negative things about their chipset being problematic on our particular board that I was wary when configuring my own system. And indeed in my initial testing I did have my own issues with the chipset. Now I had no way of predicting or verifying what their support structure will be in the future toward addressing a RAID failure- I could only assume. I only know that I was only too happy to avoid my troublesome Marvell subsystem by using only the Intel chipset and to employ a hardware RAID controller the my research justified buying. Certainly there were many other factors that I considered. Rendering efficiency for large video composites was one of the primary factors. And after a almost a year in service, I am happy with the performance I've experienced. And so far it has been reliable. And of course I'm hopeful that my controller card is quality enough to never be a problem. But we can say that about each and every piece of HW and SW (and their synergy) we've spec'd for our builds. There are numerous potential failure modes now and in the future including new OS, drivers and incompatible hardware we bring into the mix. And users of this particular complicated MoBo have varied experiences with it. And we haven't even talked about the innumerable enemies of our data coming from software/hardware corruption, virus attack, acts of God, using large/dense consumer HDDs, etc...

In any case, I made sure that my own storage strategy included redundancy beyond the meager amount that any RAID setup offers - it includes rotating two hot-swappable BU disks, and offsite. That is a reasonable approach considering what I think I know, my budget, the relative importance of the data, etc..

I believe that the RAID approach anyone takes, whether hardware or software, is justified by the application. There are pros and cons for each and one's own application determines their particular weight. But risk always needs to be mitigated. Nothing is perfect; but we should do the best we can. In my view, reconstructing a RAID array should not be the primary strategy for dealing with a controller failure (just a last resort). So whichever is adequate or not at reconstruction is really beside the point. My personal recommendation would be to rely on one (or more) backups of our data on at least one quality disk. And that approach is valid whether prime storage is HW RAID, SW RAID or a more simple drive setup.

Thank you for your input on this board. Cheers.

BlackenedTush


Edited by lloyd mcclendon - 2/4/13 at 6:56am
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lloyd,

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