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*snip*

 

Sounds like you and I have identical issues then and damn near identical systems as well...and I believe the Quadro K5000 is just a 4GB 680 like mine but optimized for OpenGL, right?

 

The REALLY weird thing for me, is that I've had far better luck getting the system to boot when my GPU has the air cooler on it than with the EK block on it. That has been throwing off my variables extremely hard and leading me to believe it's been an issue with the video card's block this whole time.

 

My system boots 100% flawlessly with an ASUS GT210 video card installed.

 

Have you recorded your overall success rate with just the K5000 plugged in versus the K5000 + Tesla plugged in?

 

I still can't wrap my brain around why on earth I've had more success with the air cooler than the blocks...but now I'm trying to remember which PCI lanes I'd been using. My air cooled card is sitting in lane 1, and I'm pretty sure the water cooler attempts were installed to lane 3 only...but then from what you're saying, you had BETTER luck with lane 3, which means my 680 should have been more likely to boot up when I was trying with the EK block attached.

 

This is all so damn bewildering, made even more so by the fact that once you roll the dice and get the card to boot up, the system is literally 100% flawlessly functioning until it's shut off again and you re-roll.

 

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DRAM speed can be changed in Advanced Menu/Chipset configuration/memory configuration/DDR speed
Do you have CPU-Z installed so you can see the CPU revision (A0,B0.C0,C1,C2?) and the installed BIOS version (3109,3206,3302?) ?
Thanks a lot

Hi Trot, I've got the 2687W equivalent Eng Sample Xeons, identical CPU-Z readout as what Morachi has posted. Thanks for the DRAM speed tip by the way, I'd have never in my life found that.


Edited by kweechy - 12/31/12 at 10:21am
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Also, has anyone been able to get any kind of decent clock speed on their memory on this board? I can't get it to boot higher than 1600 so far despite the RAM kit you see in my sig...and when it fails to boot, it fails so hard that it no longer goes into the BIOS, and you painfully have to sit there with the CMOS jumper.

 

This board can accept some sick hardware, but it sure is a giant disappointment so far considering it's more expensive than most computers out there.

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One of Morachi CPUZ shots shows 3312 MHz so it could be a 2890 C0 (QB7S..) with all cores turbo mode ON, the other one shows oddly 3111MHz which could correspond to a 2687w B0 (QA90, QA91, QA92..) with all cores turbo mode ON or a C0 chip with no turbo mode.

Do you know Morachi, Kweechy the Qxxx codes of your cpus?

I have 2687w B0 (QA91), during five months it was working with an old 9600GSO card and BIOS 0303 w/o any issues and DRAM at 2133 MHZ (I had to adjust manually some timing) . Then, I purchased two 660GTi and the problems started. I upgraded to 3109 and entered the nightmare of achieveing that the graphic cards worked in the PCI slots I wanted, maximum DRAM is now 1600 MHz.

To make it short, I feel almost hapy that the PC is working with both cards (PCI1 and 3) and it is being able to do it after rebooting. The PC is dedicated to crunching so it is ON 24/7 and rarely is rebooted. I've had some hangs but it seems pretty stable.

Next, I've got the cable to be able to use the monitor with the on board VGA and will check if I succeed in getting a better combination of operating PCI (7 PCI slots and having to put both cards side by side heatin each other is a pity) or even to add a third card (dream). PCI1 alone is a no go, PCI3 alone works OK, any other combination is also a no go.

I remounted both CPUs, loose the heatsinks etc with no exit either.

I also wanted to flash BIOS 3206 but I read that ES cpus were not working with that version, so the reason of my questions on the codes of your CPUs.
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One of Morachi CPUZ shots shows 3312 MHz so it could be a 2890 C0 (QB7S..) with all cores turbo mode ON, the other one shows oddly 3111MHz which could correspond to a 2687w B0 (QA90, QA91, QA92..) with all cores turbo mode ON or a C0 chip with no turbo mode.
Do you know Morachi, Kweechy the Qxxx codes of your cpus?
I have 2687w B0 (QA91), during five months it was working with an old 9600GSO card and BIOS 0303 w/o any issues and DRAM at 2133 MHZ (I had to adjust manually some timing) . Then, I purchased two 660GTi and the problems started. I upgraded to 3109 and entered the nightmare of achieveing that the graphic cards worked in the PCI slots I wanted, maximum DRAM is now 1600 MHz.
To make it short, I feel almost hapy that the PC is working with both cards (PCI1 and 3) and it is being able to do it after rebooting. The PC is dedicated to crunching so it is ON 24/7 and rarely is rebooted. I've had some hangs but it seems pretty stable.
Next, I've got the cable to be able to use the monitor with the on board VGA and will check if I succeed in getting a better combination of operating PCI (7 PCI slots and having to put both cards side by side heatin each other is a pity) or even to add a third card (dream). PCI1 alone is a no go, PCI3 alone works OK, any other combination is also a no go.
I remounted both CPUs, loose the heatsinks etc with no exit either.
I also wanted to flash BIOS 3206 but I read that ES cpus were not working with that version, so the reason of my questions on the codes of your CPUs.

I think what you're seeing in his (and my) CPU-Z shots is that with 1-2 cores active, it goes to 3.3GHz, and with more it'll only cap at 3.1GHz unfortunately. I have no idea if it's possible to get it to be 3.3 all the time, as my board and chips allow me to boot in without tuning anything at 106MHz BCLK...which would give me a speed of 3.5GHz if I could have the chip clock to x33 turbo all the time.

 

My BIOS version right now is 3206, I'm really surprised that your RAM clocks were affected by a BIOS update though, seems so odd. Wondering if maybe it's worthwhile to try flashing to BIOS 0303 like you'd be using before or something.

 

Really disappointing all around though...the highest end board that ASUS sells won't play nice with the highest end video cards (after all, what the hell else would you be using if you can drop this cash for the board and CPUs) and won't clock your expensive RAM to the max.

 

Where can I check out my chip's codes?


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Ok on the turbo modes causing the CPUZ screenshots, so if they are all 2687w ES B0 and are working with 3206 or higher is good news even though those BIOS versions seem not to be the solution to the problems we have...

The codes are in the chip case but if they are installed on the motheboard under the cooler you can not see it. If you bought them in the ebay, the code should be in the vendor announce. Otherwise I do not know a software tool that show it, I though CPUZ would do it but according Morachi's screenshots it is not the case since the revision cell is blank. I use linux in my system and can not execute CPUZ.
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Ok on the turbo modes causing the CPUZ screenshots, so if they are all 2687w ES B0 and are working with 3206 or higher is good news even though those BIOS versions seem not to be the solution to the problems we have...
The codes are in the chip case but if they are installed on the motheboard under the cooler you can not see it. If you bought them in the ebay, the code should be in the vendor announce. Otherwise I do not know a software tool that show it, I though CPUZ would do it but according Morachi's screenshots it is not the case since the revision cell is blank. I use linux in my system and can not execute CPUZ.

Any ideas on getting the chips to stay at 33x instead of 31x while turbo'd?

 

Also, I've run into a bit of a stupid issue on my part...but I setup windows in AHCI harddrive mode and now need to setup my RAID0 array for my storage disks. Is there any way to convert this AHCI main drive so that it will be recognized when I swap the board to RAID mode instead?

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Hi guys, the reason for the different speeds is simply because one CPU was in action when the shots were taken, both chips are identical in every other way and only separated by a few FPO numbers smile.gif same batch etc (they are both QA91 by the way, B0 stepping - meaning VT-d isn't part of the package, VT-x is though). By the way, both my ES chips worked ok with the BIOS 3302, I think I jumped from the cap file straight to the latest by accident, so I can't confirm if 3209 will bugger the system.

As for testing with the Tesla card, i don't have it as of yet - still on its way to Australia as I type this. As soon as I have it here i'll be giving it a bash to see if I can get it going. As for what PCIe slot it will work in, who knows - given it is also a Kepler PCIe 3.0 based card... i'm horrified to think i've blown $3300 on something that isn't going to play ball. Fingers crossed!

Regarding RAM, I can only force it to 1600Mhz (which is stable I might add), anything else above this isn't - simply a system limitation due to the C602 dual CPU chipset on the mobo as I understand it (CPU code as well). Those who go and buy higher rated ram will only get decent overclocks on single CPU boards. Higher clocked RAM will clock down, it essentially means you've got better bin quality chips on the RAM stick.

I spoke with nVidia thismorning and they agreed that the issue wasn't hardware related as some cards work and others don't in the C602 board, yet all cards work fine in single socket configs. They've escalated it to level 2 tech support who are at present (next few days) going to acquire the board and test it with the card. I made mention that none of the GTX 6XX series or Kepler based Quadro cards (safe saying that as there is only one at the moment) work in the board properly and don't work at all in an SR-X.

PNY were simply put, 100% useless and not customer focused at all. ASUS i've not heard back from since my last communication with them where they suggested updating the firmware and clearing the CMOS. So far my hopes lay with nVidia themselves as this could be an issue going forward for any future K series Quadros of next gen GTX cards.

On the ASUS ROG forums another lad has replied stating his ATI 7950 doesn't work at all in this board either. So it isn't just an nVidia thing. I'm guessing it's sounding more and more like the PCIe 3.0 structure of the card/mobo is the problem here as that is the lowest common denominator.

I have the PR manager from Intel Australia calling me tomorrow regarding the two ES CPU's I have (long story), so if they magically get swapped for retail versions i'll test with those as well, just incase an instruction set is the problem. I'd say at this point it isn't simply due to how many people out there are having the same issue.

The other threads i've posted in are here for visibility (in case I forget to update one on my quest to irritate every vendor i can until this is resolved);

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20121229093923207&board_id=1&model=Z9PE-D8+WS&page=1&SLanguage=en-us

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?27225-ASUS-Z9PE-D8-WS-Issues-detecting-Quadro-K5000-amp-GTX-6XX-series-GPUs-%28Q-Code-62%29&p=204857&posted=1#post204857

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/326651-30-asus-geforce#t2170278

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133468&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=10&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo

I've called for anyone with any information to populate the thread in the first link with details of their setup so I can form a solid case to update nVidia with. Hopefully this will help to identify what the problem is and force some responsibility back onto the vendors who at this point have been 100% dismissive, offering no assistance other than "return the item for a refund", with the exception of nVidia.

PS: As for finding the chip codes (FPO numbers) i've included the screen shot of my two CPUs, FPO's circled in red for reference on where to find them. They are etched into the PCB, and I believe only found in the microcode (could be mistaken).



EDIT: Sorry, buggered up, the stepping codes are in the middle of the digit set, not the end smile.gif my bad.
Edited by Morachi - 12/31/12 at 7:52pm
     
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Would Intel REALLY swap your chips to be real 2687Ws? How the hell did you manage this?

 

On a side note, while trying again (in vain I see, after reading your post) to get my RAM running faster than 1600MHz...I did probably 10 full system reboots, and only once did it not recognize my video card.

 

I'm really itching to try out the card again with the EK block installed, in slot 1 where it is right now and see what happens.

 

Have you tried jiggling around the card a bit and trying to get it seated a little better in between boot attempts? Might be strictly superstition on my part, but seems like the card boots more regularly now since I've readjusted it.

 

I've got a post up on the Asus forums as well, but no use so far really. Gotten some posts at least: http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20121216173040912&SLanguage=en-us&board_id=1&model=Z9PE-D8%20WS&page=2


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One of Morachi CPUZ shots shows 3312 MHz so it could be a 2890 C0 (QB7S..) with all cores turbo mode ON, the other one shows oddly 3111MHz which could correspond to a 2687w B0 (QA90, QA91, QA92..) with all cores turbo mode ON or a C0 chip with no turbo mode.
Do you know Morachi, Kweechy the Qxxx codes of your cpus?
I have 2687w B0 (QA91), during five months it was working with an old 9600GSO card and BIOS 0303 w/o any issues and DRAM at 2133 MHZ (I had to adjust manually some timing) . Then, I purchased two 660GTi and the problems started. I upgraded to 3109 and entered the nightmare of achieveing that the graphic cards worked in the PCI slots I wanted, maximum DRAM is now 1600 MHz.
To make it short, I feel almost hapy that the PC is working with both cards (PCI1 and 3) and it is being able to do it after rebooting. The PC is dedicated to crunching so it is ON 24/7 and rarely is rebooted. I've had some hangs but it seems pretty stable.
Next, I've got the cable to be able to use the monitor with the on board VGA and will check if I succeed in getting a better combination of operating PCI (7 PCI slots and having to put both cards side by side heatin each other is a pity) or even to add a third card (dream). PCI1 alone is a no go, PCI3 alone works OK, any other combination is also a no go.
I remounted both CPUs, loose the heatsinks etc with no exit either.
I also wanted to flash BIOS 3206 but I read that ES cpus were not working with that version, so the reason of my questions on the codes of your CPUs.

Hi Trotador, little confused by this comment. You say you've got both 660Ti's working in PCI Slots 1 & 3, however in the following sentence you state PCI1 is a no go? So if i'm reading this right, when using a single card, PCIe slot 1 won't work at all, however with two cards (in PCIe slot 1 & 3) , PCIe slot 1 works ok?

I'd love to know what your BIOS settings were and the Firmware used for this setup, just so I can compare apples for apples when the Tesla K20 arrives?

Also, what was your success rate with dual 660Ti cards in PCIe slots 1 & 3? Did it require multiple resets to detect, or did it work flawlessly on each reboot in that config?

Thanks in advance!
     
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Hi Kweechy, I wriggled, reseated, held the card like a baby amongst other things... seemed fruitless. I too can get really good rolls where it will reset half a dozen times booting flawlessly, then crap itself. I've forced my RAM to 1600MHz as it is 1600 rated, as it defaults to 1333 without forcing even though the XMP profile is detected.

You're right though, the K5000 I believe is just a firmware adjusted GTX 680 for all intents and purposes - and a much higher pricetag! It is also just aircooled, given that the card only chews 122w TDP I guess they didn't see the need for anything grand.
     
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Xeon 2600 Family ES 3.0GHz QA1 Stepping (E5-2687w) Xeon 2600 Family ES 3.0GHz QA1 Stepping (E5-2687w) ASUS Z9PE-D8 WS (Firmware: 3302) PNY Quadro K5000 (4GB) 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
nVidia Tesla K20 (5GB) Corsair Vengeance 64GB 1600MHz CL9 (8x8GB)  Intel 520 Series 480GB SSD (Firmware: 400i) ASUS Blu-Ray BW-12B1ST 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Corsair H60 Watercooling - SE (x2) Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Dell U3011 XFX Black Edition 1250W - Modular, Gold Rated 80+ 
Case
Coolermaster Cosmos II Ultratower 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core I7 3930K - 6 Core (3.2GHz) ASUS ROG Rampage IV Gene nVidia EVGA GTX 690 Corsair Vengeance 32GB 1866MHz (4x8GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Intel 520 240GB SSD Samsung 830 512GB SSD ASUS Corsair H100i Liquid Cooling 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Dell U3011 Razer Lycosa Corsair AX860 (860w) 
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Coolermaster HAF XB Lanbox Razer Imperator 4G 
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