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post #11 of 62
5/27/12 at 7:30am
I'd recommend the deathadder over the zowie. I haven't used the Zowie, but none of their mice have any driver or software support. They have decided to use this as a marketing bragging feature, but in reality it's more of a handicap. Since you can't adjust windows sensitivity without compromising accuracy you are only left with using one of the three very spread out DPI steps on the mouse.

If you play a game that has a proper sensitivity adjustment feature that might not be a huge problem for you, but many games do not have that. Hence you need to have everything g2g from windows already. For this case I've returned a zowie AM.

Other than that zowie truly has the worst customer service of any gaming peripheral company that I know of. If you are buying the mouse from a place that takes responsibility for it that might be less of a concern for you, but if you order directly from zowie I'd be thinking twice.

As far as I see there is no reason what so ever to not pick the DA of the lot. Best sensor of any mouse on the market today hands down.
The sensei would definitely be a total waste of money if you are like me and dislike native acceleration(impossible to disable) in a mouse.
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post #12 of 62
5/27/12 at 8:15am
Too bad you had no luck with the support. So far my questions got answered pretty fast and were always helpful.
I haven't sent them any hardware because of a failure or anything, but that's rarely the case anyway as most ppl order from a shop where it's cheaper anyway.

The Deathadder sensor is still one of the best, true. But to call it the best is exxagerating it.
I prefer a lower LOD which is only possible on the DA with a fix that lowers the max speed.

Not to mention the shape which at least me gives problems and is always a matter of preference.


It might be a problem for some with only 3 fixed DPI steps, sure.
But I wouldn't go out and recommend the DA because of that one possible concern.
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post #13 of 62
5/27/12 at 9:22am
Have you looked into the G400 from Logitech? It seems like something that might fit you. It's ergonomic, got omrons, good sensor and a it is somewhat lightweight but still built very well.
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post #14 of 62
5/27/12 at 9:29am
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It might be a problem for some with only 3 fixed DPI steps, sure.
But I wouldn't go out and recommend the DA because of that one possible concern.

It's not just me. Do a search about trying to RMA zowie products on these very forums.

You think the deathadder is lacking due to not having a 2mm liftoff distance (instead it has 3.5mm), but only having three extremely bizarre DPI steps and no other sensitivity adjustment options is not a reason to critique a mouse?

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post #15 of 62
5/27/12 at 9:40am
Actually its a trade off, Zowie has better LOD, but lower Max Speed, not ot mention that it isnt as stable as the DA or the Savu on high Speeds.
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post #16 of 62
5/27/12 at 9:44am
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Actually its a trade off, Zowie has better LOD, but lower Max Speed, not ot mention that it isnt as stable as the DA or the Savu on high Speeds.

Sub 3mm lift off distance is not always sought after. There was a thread discussing this recently, and not that many people "need" that, and even more dislike it. I find that when I used the AM many times if i was doing super fast turns the mouse would stop tracking just because tilting it at even the most microscopic angle when flicking fast would lift the mouse enough.

As for the g400 if you can get your hands on a prediction free newer version you could go for that too. It's supposed to be very good, and Logitech have a good reputation as a company.
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post #17 of 62
5/27/12 at 9:50am
It is almost impossible to get the prediction model now I think rolleyes.gif
but I can vouche for the G400, the sensor is one of the best optical sensors on the market and the sensor is also comparable to the DA because it's based on it.
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post #18 of 62
5/27/12 at 12:11pm
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It's not just me. Do a search about trying to RMA zowie products on these very forums.

I know that there are concerns about the technical support from Zowie. Just mentioned that I had positive experiences with them.
All those opinions from this forum combined still don't lead to a conclusion if the support is bad or good. It's generalization based on a very small number of people.

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You think the deathadder is lacking due to not having a 2mm liftoff distance (instead it has 3.5mm), but only having three extremely bizarre DPI steps and no other sensitivity adjustment options is not a reason to critique a mouse?

I won't quote that huge troll picture, not my niveau.
Anyway, I didn't say that the DA is lacking. I wanted to make you to understand that not everybody shares the same needs.
I don't need that higher max speed from the DA for example. I prefer the lower LOD on the Zowie mice though because it helps me when lifting the mouse which I do quite often on low sensitivities.
And of course you can criticise the AM for it's lack of other than the three "bizarre" DPI steps. But it isn't a reason to recommend the DA because every mouse has its flaws, I find it really difficult to handle the DA for example because the shape isn't very friendly to my hand for quick precise lift off, and bundled with the higher LOD my actions in games don't feels as accurate.

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Sub 3mm lift off distance is not always sought after. There was a thread discussing this recently, and not that many people "need" that, and even more dislike it. I find that when I used the AM many times if i was doing super fast turns the mouse would stop tracking just because tilting it at even the most microscopic angle when flicking fast would lift the mouse enough.
As for the g400 if you can get your hands on a prediction free newer version you could go for that too. It's supposed to be very good, and Logitech have a good reputation as a company.

See, everyone shares his/her own opinion on that. No reason to react like a douche.
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5/27/12 at 12:24pm
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post #20 of 62
5/27/12 at 1:23pm
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I know that there are concerns about the technical support from Zowie. Just mentioned that I had positive experiences with them.
All those opinions from this forum combined still don't lead to a conclusion if the support is bad or good. It's generalization based on a very small number of people.
I won't quote that huge troll picture, not my niveau.
Anyway, I didn't say that the DA is lacking. I wanted to make you to understand that not everybody shares the same needs.
I don't need that higher max speed from the DA for example. I prefer the lower LOD on the Zowie mice though because it helps me when lifting the mouse which I do quite often on low sensitivities.
And of course you can criticise the AM for it's lack of other than the three "bizarre" DPI steps. But it isn't a reason to recommend the DA because every mouse has its flaws, I find it really difficult to handle the DA for example because the shape isn't very friendly to my hand for quick precise lift off, and bundled with the higher LOD my actions in games don't feels as accurate.
See, everyone shares his/her own opinion on that. No reason to react like a douche.

We were not discussing subjective things. Objective performance measurements is what we were talking about.
The deathadder isn't my holy grail mouse by a long shot, but thats only due to its shape / weight not suiting my needs. On paper I don't know of another mouse that is its equal. I was talking about objective strengths that anyone will appreciate. High max speed, custom sens/Dpi scaling from software, no prediction, no acceleration. Flawless function across all dpi/sens steps.

Saying I shouldn't criticize zowie mice for not having any variety in their sens adjustment because every mice have their flaws is just a ridiculous cop-out of what could otherwise be a reasonable discussion about this topic. What would be the equal flaw of the deathadder? that you and I aren't particularly fond of the shape? please.

Speaking of reacting like a douche you're the one name calling right now thumb.gif
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