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post #21 of 62
5/27/12 at 2:47pm
As you (probably) mentioned before Zowie targets a specific market.
It's fair to criticise their mice for not having features that the DA has.
But that doesn't make the DA automatically recommendable.

From objective points, yes! On the paper it's better. But on the subjective side (the own opinion, I said that before) it's a whole differnet story. smile.gif
Not everybody (I would say the minority) would need even more max perfect control speed than the AM.

I don't know why you're giving me back the douche thingy, just tried to explain what I mean. The one who offended the other with a big troll picture wasn't me in the end. wink.gif

But let's leave it at that: to each his own. DA is better in max speed. AM is better in low LOD. Pick your poison.
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post #22 of 62
5/27/12 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by detto87 View Post

As you (probably) mentioned before Zowie targets a specific market.
It's fair to criticise their mice for not having features that the DA has.
But that doesn't make the DA automatically recommendable.
From objective points, yes! On the paper it's better. But on the subjective side (the own opinion, I said that before) it's a whole differnet story. smile.gif
Not everybody (I would say the minority) would need even more max perfect control speed than the AM.
I don't know why you're giving me back the douche thingy, just tried to explain what I mean. The one who offended the other with a big troll picture wasn't me in the end. wink.gif
But let's leave it at that: to each his own. DA is better in max speed. AM is better in low LOD. Pick your poison.

My point was just that the DA will have less potential flaws than the AM. The only minuses a DA can have is if you dislike not having SUPER low liftoff, or if you dislike the shape/weight.

To sum UP:

Deathadder:
+Flawless sensor
+good software/firmware support with customization options
+Good mouse switches
+Legendary mouse with a great track record
+though haters exist razer is a huge company with mostly great feedback
- if you like super low LOD it might not be for you
- if the shape doesn't suit you it might not be for you

AM:
+Good sensor
+Low lift off distance. Positive if you like that sort of thing.
+good shape if you like it
-No software support or customization
-Huano switches which almost everyone agrees is are too stiff
-Lower maxspeed, though not low enough to be a huge deal.
-Zowie's customer service seems to be the weakest of all gaming gear companies.
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post #23 of 62
5/27/12 at 3:53pm
You can't really complain about the Zowie not having software really. The market they designed it for doesn't care about drivers and is in fact a (most of the time) a group of people that prefer to have no drivers.

I'm one of them, the 3 most important factors for me are shape, max tracking speed and precision. I could care less about other features.
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post #24 of 62
5/27/12 at 4:12pm
@viowastaken

Zowie's customer support: generalization based on a few opinions from this forum.
Lower maxspeed: not "not low enough to be a huge deal" but "high enough for the majority".
No software support... which it is advertised for!
And the sensor "good" vs "flawless" is again a thing of perspective.
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post #25 of 62
5/27/12 at 4:24pm
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Originally Posted by detto87 View Post

@viowastaken
Zowie's customer support: generalization based on a few opinions from this forum.

And the sensor "good" vs "flawless" is again a thing of perspective.


No it's based on personal experience and reading a lot of poor reviews. Not necessarily on this site. I had liked their facebook page to try to reach customer support. I wasn't the first person *****ing on their wall without any response.

the AM sensor is worse at higher DPI with less and less max control speed. Fact. All DPI settings have lower max control than a deathadder.
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You can't really complain about the Zowie not having software really. The market they designed it for doesn't care about drivers and is in fact a (most of the time) a group of people that prefer to have no drivers.
I'm one of them, the 3 most important factors for me are shape, max tracking speed and precision. I could care less about other features.

It's not the software it self, but rather any option for futher DPI customization. Highly flawed, restricted and unnecessary.

And using it as a marketing feature, meh. Who knows if they dropped software on purpose or just realized that they could save money by not developing any. 
Game gear companies bragging about stuff isn't always honest stuff. Like the kinzu v1, unable to remove acceleration? no problem, it's now a feature! rolleyes.gif
Edited by viowastaken - 5/27/12 at 4:26pm
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post #26 of 62
5/28/12 at 2:22am
We get it, you hate Zowie.
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post #27 of 62
5/28/12 at 2:28am
Yes, but in reality how many would actually hit the malfunction speed of the AM? In this regard, for players like me who play at around 25cm / 360, I would MUCH rather sacrifice a higher malfunction speed for a much reduced LoD.

Anyway, shape is even more important. I used DA for a few years and got used to the shape although I can palm a G400 more naturally. Haven't tried EC1 & EC2 as they lack a glossy finish and it's impossible for me to grip mice like that. Sensei was actually very good, albeit with the laser sensor. I'd say that Sensei is the most comfortable but the slight accel can put some people off.
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post #28 of 62
5/28/12 at 3:11am
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We get it, you hate Zowie.

No, we get it. You're clearly incapable of having a civil discussion so you use a cop out troll comment instead of contributing.

I don't mind Zowie. I think their average product is ahead of the competition in many ways. My only reservation from purchasing another Zowie product is from their poor customer service. Though should they release a slightly better-shaped 3090 mouse with omrons and more DPI customization I'd buy it in a heartbeat. - Not directly from Zowie of course.
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post #29 of 62
5/28/12 at 3:14am
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Originally Posted by tom2k11 View Post

Yes, but in reality how many would actually hit the malfunction speed of the AM? In this regard, for players like me who play at around 25cm / 360, I would MUCH rather sacrifice a higher malfunction speed for a much reduced LoD.
Anyway, shape is even more important. I used DA for a few years and got used to the shape although I can palm a G400 more naturally. Haven't tried EC1 & EC2 as they lack a glossy finish and it's impossible for me to grip mice like that. Sensei was actually very good, albeit with the laser sensor. I'd say that Sensei is the most comfortable but the slight accel can put some people off.

I sort of agree with you, but shape vs sensor is a subjective thing. Personally I'll always pick the sensor over the shape which makes the sensei a no-no. It's sad we can't get both at the current state of the market, but such is life. thumb.gif
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post #30 of 62
5/28/12 at 9:27am
Get the sensei raw, it has a good sensor regardless of what people say you must just get used to it .The click responsiveness is nice, and its comfortable to hold even though it isn't ergonomic like a DA.
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