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I love my GTX470's, scores 10.8K in 3DMark 11. You can buy a pair for around 300-400 bucks and overclock it and have more graphics power then a gtx680.
Really a GTX560ti 448 core is nothing more then a overclocked gtx470 as well. The GTX470 was a mid-high range GPU that offered High end performance. With 850 on the core, the cards start to perform closely to a GTX580 which is pretty impressive. And with its 1.25gb of vram over the gtx560ti's the choice is easy. I have a 1gb gtx465 and can easily tell you how easy it is to fill that up, that extra 256mb of v-ram helps with frames drops big time. Using ultra textures in BF3 is pretty much impossible without frame drops with a 1gb card, though it works fine with 1.25gb.
If you want great performance with low cost, the GTX4XX series have been pretty good at offering it. Other then Being power hungry and the fact that it puts off a lot of heat.


fpr that money u get 7870/670GtX which can e compared or beat 470 GTX SLI...
if you compare video card you need to has 2 video card in the same terms: OCED

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/311?vs=499

and finally a real bench

http://www.overclock.net/t/895590/gtx470-vs-gtx570-comparison-review
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GTX 470 is more likely a mid-range video card. because the GTX 560/GTX 560 Ti/HD 6870 are intended at the mid-range market and can easily perform/ outperform this card, and offer better noise, temperatures and power usage by comparison.
Not to mention the new GeForce 600 has put new standards of a high-end performing card. And unfortunately the GTX 470 doesn't meet any of those standards.
Overall it is a good card but it got stomped by newer cards.
I own the card and I like it, but I hate how loud it can be sometimes, and I hate the fact my card is garbage at overclocking. I am upgrading soon to GTX 670 or HD7970, hope I have better luck with them at least.
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Here's the deal:

To OCN and similar sites, a single GTX470 setup = mid-range setup
To the rest of the world, a single GTX470 = high-end setup

We have totally different standards here ... running a single 470 would probably put you in the lower 30% of graphics performance of people on this site. But out of all the PC in the world at large, you'd be in the top 1% with this card thumb.gif

GTX470 is an AWESOME card though ... best overclocker ever made in terms of the % of additional frames that can be gained through OC'ing vs. stock. This is especially true on water, or at least with a good aftermarket cooler.

I have two of 'em sitting here that I ran for almost 2 years in SLI, and I'm having a hard time bringing myself to part w/em, even though I could use the dough ...
    
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I consider the GTX 470 a mid-range card now. At 1920x1080, it does have trouble with higher settings on most games. At 1680x1050 or lower, this is still a wonderful GPU to max out most games. I would compare it to a slightly underclocked GTX 560 ti graphics card.
If you plan on upgrading, I wouldn't consider anything less than a GTX 570 / HD 6970.

This is a lie, I max out any game with the exception of Metro 2033 and I've played hundreds of pc games. I've maxed out crysis 1 and 2 at 1920x1200 resolution. I don't know why some of you are spewing myths about the gtx 470, I'm running it on an amd phenom II X4 965 3.4ghz processor. What the heck were you guys running in it that you weren't able to max settings on very high or high settings in games, dual cores? I honestly don't get the responses saying it doesn't max games out when I've only ran into one out of hundreds of games I've played with it that it does not max out. But the thing is almost 90 percent of pc titles are console games so that is probably why I max out those games. Maybe you guys are talking about the rare 10 percent I don't play? I never tried starcraft III or whatever its called but isn't that a console port to some degree too? I have no reason to lie, but some of you seem to have an agenda to make people believe the gtx 470 is weaker than it really is.

The thing is, I don't get why anyone would have to overclock a gtx 470 if I'm getting high 60fps if not more maxed out with very high, AA, AF on with 1920x1200 resolution. The only game I don't get that in is Metro 2033 and that is only because that requires something insane to have physx on high and very high settings on at 1920x1200 resolution. I have not came across one other game that required as much power as Metro 2033.

I don't want to get into a huge argument about this, but some of you seem to be posting bs up on here unless something in your rigs are holding your gtx 470 back because what I've posted are facts. If I have to use fraps to prove it and show my settings I will even tho that takes time and effort.


Now if people are talking about turning the AA OR AF up to 32x or whatever its called in Nvidia Control panel that is something different and most people don't do that anyways. Than I notice slow-downs big time but other than that I'm maxing games out in the settings in the pc game not out of the pc game settings. The only settings I'm talking about are the in-game settings not the Nvidia Control Panel where you can make the graphics look even better than what the in-game settings have listed.
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This is a lie, I max out any game with the exception of Metro 2033 and I've played hundreds of pc games. I've maxed out crysis 1 and 2 at 1920x1200 resolution. I don't know why some of you are spewing myths about the gtx 470, I'm running it on an amd phenom II X4 965 3.4ghz processor. What the heck were you guys running in it that you weren't able to max settings on very high or high settings in games, dual cores? I honestly don't get the responses saying it doesn't max games out when I've only ran into one out of hundreds of games I've played with it that it does not max out. But the thing is almost 90 percent of pc titles are console games so that is probably why I max out those games. Maybe you guys are talking about the rare 10 percent I don't play? I never tried starcraft III or whatever its called but isn't that a console port to some degree too? I have no reason to lie, but some of you seem to have an agenda to make people believe the gtx 470 is weaker than it really is.
The thing is, I don't get why anyone would have to overclock a gtx 470 if I'm getting high 60fps if not more maxed out with very high, AA, AF on with 1920x1200 resolution. The only game I don't get that in is Metro 2033 and that is only because that requires something insane to have physx on high and very high settings on at 1920x1200 resolution. I have not came across one other game that required as much power as Metro 2033.
I don't want to get into a huge argument about this, but some of you seem to be posting bs up on here unless something in your rigs are holding your gtx 470 back because what I've posted are facts. If I have to use fraps to prove it and show my settings I will even tho that takes time and effort.
Now if people are talking about turning the AA OR AF up to 32x or whatever its called in Nvidia Control panel that is something different and most people don't do that anyways. Than I notice slow-downs big time but other than that I'm maxing games out in the settings in the pc game not out of the pc game settings. The only settings I'm talking about are the in-game settings not the Nvidia Control Panel where you can make the graphics look even better than what the in-game settings have listed.

Okay, well ... rather than accusing people of 'baloney', you should understand that you are stipulating to a bunch of things here that not everyone may agree with in terms of your definition of 'maxed out'.

For example, many of us consider that if you get anything under 40fps (and some would even say under 60fps) EVER ... then your card isn't really 'handling' the settings you've chosen in the game.

By this definition of 40fps minimum, at *any* time during the game, then a single 470 will NOT 'max out' the following games even just using the maximum in-game settings, and 4xAA, at 1920x1200:

BF3, Metro2033, Crysis, Crysis 2, ArmA2, The Witcher 2 (not even including ubersampling being on), Just Cause 2, Mafia 2 (w/physx on high), Batman AC (in DX11, esp. with PhysX on High), Alice Madness Returns (with physX on high), Stalker Clear Sky, Stalker Call of Pripyat, GTAIV (though this is mostly a CPU problem to be fair).

And don't try to tell me I'm full of baloney, because I've run 470 SLI for 2 years (not to mention I'm inarguably one of the biggest champions of the wonder that is the 470 on this board), and I own ALL of those games (except GTAIV ... but I know it anyways). In fact, in a number of them, 2 WELL OC'd 470's in SLI will not even maintain >40 fps at all times.

And although I don't own them, I'd bet a considerable sum of money that both Aliens v Predator and Lost Planet 2 would also dip well below 40fps on occasion when maxed and running 4xAA on 1920x1200 resolution ... given I've run the game benchmarks for these many times, and they can both dip to 40fps even with SLI 470's thumb.gif
    
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Be cool dude, there is no need to take comments seriously to the point it piss you off thumb.gif .
I am only running 1920x1080 and I have trouble maxing out the Crysises.
Crysis 1 with 4xAA+ Very High I get about 25 fps average and below 15 fps during smoke.
Crysis 2 on Ultra + HD textures my fps can go below 10 fps at times.
Skyrim with mods go below 50 fps which is not the ideal for this game, dropping from 60 fps to 50-45 is very noticable in this game (at least for me).
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Be cool dude, there is no need to take comments seriously to the point it piss you off thumb.gif .
I am only running 1920x1080 and I have trouble maxing out the Crysises.
Crysis 1 with 4xAA+ Very High I get about 25 fps average and below 15 fps during smoke.
Crysis 2 on Ultra + HD textures my fps can go below 10 fps at times.
Skyrim with mods go below 50 fps which is not the ideal for this game, dropping from 60 fps to 50-45 is very noticable in this game (at least for me).

Something must be wrong with your pc, In Crysis with the same settings as you, just one of my cards would be pushing around 60fps. Crysis 2 with max Settings Maxed and HD textures is a different thing, I need to run in sli if I want over 60fps avg. With my 2 OCed cards, I run crysis at 1920x1080 with 16x AA and get a avg of 60fps, min is around low 50's high 40's. In BF3 I play at ultra with MSAA off(v-ram limited), but everything else is maxed. I avg 90-100fps with max around 133 and min 60fps, I play with a 120hz monitor so getting more then 60fps is important to me. The only game that It has problems with is metro 2033 maxed out, but the optimization with DX11 is bad. Though forcing adaptive v-sync though its nvidia control panel settings helps cut down the stuttering.

Even with the Stock cooler my cards were able to push 800 on the graphics core, though they run hot they can easily take it. Plus cards are easy to mod, if you wanted to add a cheap water cooler for it, all you need to do is pick up the antec h2o 620 from micro center for 50 bucks and follow "The Mod" guide. Modify/Flash you videocards bios with an unlocked voltage one, and do the pencil mod disabling OCP. This will let you get mighty close to 900 core.
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Something must be wrong with your pc, In Crysis with the same settings as you, just one of my cards would be pushing around 60fps. Crysis 2 with max Settings Maxed and HD textures is a different thing, I need to run in sli if I want over 60fps avg. With my 2 OCed cards, I run crysis at 1920x1080 with 16x AA and get a avg of 60fps, min is around low 50's high 40's. In BF3 I play at ultra with MSAA off(v-ram limited), but everything else is maxed. I avg 90-100fps with max around 133 and min 60fps, I play with a 120hz monitor so getting more then 60fps is important to me. The only game that It has problems with is metro 2033 maxed out, but the optimization with DX11 is bad. Though forcing adaptive v-sync though its nvidia control panel settings helps cut down the stuttering.
Even with the Stock cooler my cards were able to push 800 on the graphics core, though they run hot they can easily take it. Plus cards are easy to mod, if you wanted to add a cheap water cooler for it, all you need to do is pick up the antec h2o 620 from micro center for 50 bucks and follow "The Mod" guide. Modify/Flash you videocards bios with an unlocked voltage one, and do the pencil mod disabling OCP. This will let you get mighty close to 900 core.

lol what? a single GTX 470 can get ~60 fps in Crysis 1? no way.
Go see brettjv GTX 670 benchmarks in his thread. now that card can get ~60 fps . Unless you have a magical 470 that can match a 670 then this is a different story wink.gif .
GTX 470 is too weak to max out Crysis games TBH. Even on high settings + AA it won't cut it in Crysis 1 (lag during huge battles).
I don't want to mod a useless card. as I said before I got an exceptionally weak card that can't overclock. so it doesn't even worth to try and waste time to watercool it.
Single 670/7970 would do just fine for me and they easily can match SLI 470s.
Edited by HeadlessKnight - 5/25/12 at 3:31pm
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Something must be wrong with your pc, In Crysis with the same settings as you, just one of my cards would be pushing around 60fps. Crysis 2 with max Settings Maxed and HD textures is a different thing, I need to run in sli if I want over 60fps avg. With my 2 OCed cards, I run crysis at 1920x1080 with 16x AA and get a avg of 60fps, min is around low 50's high 40's. In BF3 I play at ultra with MSAA off(v-ram limited), but everything else is maxed. I avg 90-100fps with max around 133 and min 60fps, I play with a 120hz monitor so getting more then 60fps is important to me. The only game that It has problems with is metro 2033 maxed out, but the optimization with DX11 is bad. Though forcing adaptive v-sync though its nvidia control panel settings helps cut down the stuttering.
Even with the Stock cooler my cards were able to push 800 on the graphics core, though they run hot they can easily take it. Plus cards are easy to mod, if you wanted to add a cheap water cooler for it, all you need to do is pick up the antec h2o 620 from micro center for 50 bucks and follow "The Mod" guide. Modify/Flash you videocards bios with an unlocked voltage one, and do the pencil mod disabling OCP. This will let you get mighty close to 900 core.

Lets see your results running the assault_harbor benchmark in the crysis benchmark tool using an UNMODDED Crysis 1 at 1080p, VH, DX10, 16xAA ... I'd be keen to see a GTX470 average anywhere near 60fps on this actual 'real gameplay' test.

Don't get me wrong I loved my old 470 SLI setup, it's beast ... but a single 470 can't 'max out' Crysis at 1080p and 16xAA and average anywhere near 60fps. If you think it's doing so, then your AA isn't actually working wink.gif
    
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Sli 470's playing at 1080p and watercooled are a very sick setup. Overclock the crap out of them and it hard to beat the peformance for the price
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