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The Mac Pro is a server, 2 years ago, HP and Dell Servers comparable to the Mac Pro were nearly the same price.
MacBook Pro is awaiting a major refresh in a few weeks at the WWDC, and so now it's the point in its cycle that its value is the lowest. When the new one comes, then we can analyse its value.
Also, apart from a very minor refresh, the MacBook Pro has not been updated in a year.
And that goes by my point, at release Apple products have decent value, but near the end of their cycles they do not. It's just how Apple operates.
The reason I brought it up is because if Apple were to release a new line of TV, its prices would be comparable to rivals.

I read a rumor a while ago that Apple is going to drop the Mac Pro completely at the end of this year because not enough people are buying them. The MacBook Pro is meant to get a "major" refresh this year apparently. I think it will because all the concepts over the last few months seem to show that the MacBook Pro is going to be redesigned (or at least the same design, just a lot thinner and a higher res screen)
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inb4 patent troll and goin after samsung
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The Mac Pro is a server, 2 years ago, HP and Dell Servers comparable to the Mac Pro were nearly the same price.
MacBook Pro is awaiting a major refresh in a few weeks at the WWDC, and so now it's the point in its cycle that its value is the lowest. When the new one comes, then we can analyse its value.
Also, apart from a very minor refresh, the MacBook Pro has not been updated in a year.
And that goes by my point, at release Apple products have decent value, but near the end of their cycles they do not. It's just how Apple operates.
The reason I brought it up is because if Apple were to release a new line of TV, its prices would be comparable to rivals.

Fair enough, we'll see if they are competitive, in the beginning they will have to be in order to gain any market share.

For the record MacPro's primary use is not for server, though they do have a server edition:
http://store.apple.com/us_smb_78313/configure/MC915LL/A?

MacPro's are workstation computers, they are mainly used for Video Editing & Graphic Design, for that purpose you are much better off going with a 3930K + 7970 if you were buying one today for $2500. Even when I bought mine, and their hardware was up to date, it was cheaper to build myself.

If you want to go the Dell route, have a look at this:
http://configure.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=t7500_f1_e&c=ca&l=en&s=bsd&cs=cabsdt1&model_id=precision-t7500

It's the same price as the MacPro, but it has superior specs including DUAL E5620
(12M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 5.86 GT/s Intel® QPI - 16 Threads total ) + FirePro V4800 card standard.

Install Photoshop & Premiere CS6 and you're set.

Before I built my rig, I did a ton of research, and getting a MacPro was not cost efficient, and the specs were always inferior. The 5770 for example is just laughable.
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I read a rumor a while ago that Apple is going to drop the Mac Pro completely at the end of this year because not enough people are buying them.

Well, Apple is questioning the future of MacPro's
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/31/apple-questioning-the-future-of-its-mac-pro-line/

Considering everything I said above, it's no wonder they're not selling well. Workstation users are generally more informed and tend to do research before purchasing.
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I know about that and that was the malware I was talking about. News articles just call it a virus because if they used malware then they wouldn't have had as many views because most people are clueless to that sort of thing. A bit like if you went up to someone and said "I just bought a LG 453xfdg352" They won't really know what you're talking about, but if you said "I just bought a HD TV" they will know what you're talking about and will probably be more interested. IIRC that malware was a Java loophole type thing that coders took advantage of. I think it came up as an "update" which you do need to enter a password. I didn't get that though so I'm not sure.


But it's still "malware" that grabs passwords and other user info on people's Macs. Even if there is a difference, it's still very misleading to their consumers.Admittedly though, I could not really tell you the difference between Malware and a Virus, I kind of always assumed that Malware was kind of an all inclusive term... what's the difference?
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Why do people get snotty? It should be fairly obvious...
1) Apple's business tactics result in oversaturation of the market due to the usually-ignorant consumer not knowing there are better options for far cheaper. As a result, for example, I can only get voice recognition and album art for my music with my car's head unit (or any other head unit for what it's worth) if I use an Apple product. That's the type of behavior that got Microsoft in trouble yet Apple escapes worry free from persecution.
2) Apple is the poster child for tax evasion. They are a perfect example - and were in fact a template for other companies to follow - in how the mantra that big business create jobs is total horse crap. Responsible big businesses create jobs, but Apple is too worried about profit to take care of their communities. They are not responsible.
3) Apple has found a way to take advantage of the general population's stupidity. Everywhere I look I am reminded of the average person's ignorance in regards to many things, but when their choices affect my choices, it pisses me off. It pisses me off even more that the aura surrounding the company is so pristine despite all the reasons to hate the company.
4) Their ads are misleading at best. See item 3. I despise being lied to. Sure, other companies do it, but I despise them for the same reason; I refuse to buy a Ford because those commercials with Mike Rowe are so ridiculously misleading.
5) They rarely admit their faults. It's always the consumer's fault, or the manufacturer's fault. When is Apple responsible for quality control of their products? When they are forced to be by a frickin' class action lawsuit when all people wanted were free rubber bumpers for their phones to make it work!
6) Need I continue?

This guy, minus the tax evasion stuff which I can't hold against Apple because I honestly have no idea what they do, feels the exact same way that I do about them.
Now you can hold it against Apple:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/business/apples-tax-strategy-aims-at-low-tax-states-and-nations.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1
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And now, this thread is about Apple - Desktop / Laptop pricing :

FIGHT !



Srsly tho, there's no excuse for Apple's pricing of parts. Even if these devices were priced decently at launch. These prebuilds (especially the workstation) were configured years ago and have remained the same ever since, including the pricing ! This is the strength and weakness of Apple. They control which hardware is going into their devices so strictly, that it could never keep up with the latest and the greatest. A failure to drop the pricing on these devices as the components decline in value is just capitalism at its worst (or best if you like). In this case, Apple just aims for the not-so-tech-savy people to buy overpriced, outdated excrete, as if it were new...

Talk about ripping someone off ? Yeah, Apple has the black belt in that.
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lol. Thanks?
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To be fair though, Google, Microsoft most major corporations do the same.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html
To be fair?! That's total horse crap! Why does everyone always make that same tired argument? Stop making such behavior acceptable. Besides, to suggest that other companies are on the same level is ludicrous - just read the article. Apple started it all.
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lol. Thanks?
I'd say "you're welcome" but I doubt you take this seriously.
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But that's the thing, Apple products AREN'T PREMIUM. Apple just makes you think they are.



For $2500 we can build a 3930K system with a 680/7970, 16GB RAM + an SSD + Hard Drives.

With Apple you get a Quad NEHALEM Xeon, 3GB RAM, 1 TB HD, and a 5770.

Yup, that sure is "Premium"
The Mac Pro hasn't been updated in over 668 days, so it's using old hardware at the same price it was introduced. And as I've told you before the single processor Mac Pro carries a +$1k price tag over the competition.

So why exactly did you choose that model as your example? And why compare any of Apple's products against a custom built system? Of course you'll get better value from building it yourself.
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The 3930K will crush that MacPro in "professional video development".

The specs of that MacPro are beyond pathetic, $294 Processor, 3 GB RAM ( $25? ), 5770 ( $100 ) That sure screams "Premium" for $2500.

There's no comparison to the 3930K system you can build for the same price. A company would benefit more from the 3930K system vs that MacPro system. There's no comparison.
I kind of answered this above, but again this is a very out of date system.
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Here's your Macbook Pro.



Here's something that crushes it for less. ( 4 times the memory, twice the hard drive capacity 7200RPM, GTX 675M + Blu-Ray BURNER ) Heck if you look hard enough, you can configure a laptop with an SSD in it, and still pay less than that Macbook Pro.

You're comparing an "all rounder" to a gaming laptop, that Samsung is 2 lbs heavier and will have poor battery life. And the MacBook Pro is due for an update in a month or two with more powerful hardware.
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First off thank you for being rational and not biting my head off...too many times i have ranted about apple only to have a fanboy spit in my face and not listen to me.....so thanks smile.gif
Likewise =)
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The ASUS laptop I bought was a higher end model I was just pointing out for the same price as the macbook (base model 13 inch with upgraded RAM i believe and a slightly bigger hard drive) I was able to get a much better machine that was able to do the same things that my macbook did.
Fair enough. Keep in mind that any upgrades you choose when purchasing your Mac are absurdly expensive -- a slightly larger HDD and 8GB of RAM can run you like $400 from Apple, or $50-$100 from somewhere like otherworldcomputing.
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What im worried about the apple tv is that while I have hopes that apple will finally bring something out well priced for a change (although there ipods arent terrible priced for what they can do so 1 point for apple there). I just hate the "apple crowd" and please i dont mean if you own an ipod and you like it..i mean the people that are so obviously blind and stupid when it comes to undersanding of technology (but to be honest, I dont expect everyone to know weverything about technology and its unfare for me to assume people know more then they actually do) im refering to the hipster idiots that bought them because "they look nice" or "a few people at school have them" or "i heard it was the best" without doing any real research or understanding of the product.....you have an understanding of them and you know the differences and again i salute you smile.gif
Yeah I understand the type of person you're talking about. Well generally Apple's been pricing their products more and more competitively over the years which is great for the consumer. (Although the upgrades are still marked up insanely.)

I consider the iMac to be the best value Mac around and very competitively priced. The competition does have cheaper systems but they're generally lacking in one area or another -- often graphics. I've yet to find another all-in-one which has anywhere near the performance a 6970M does (most can't even match the 6750M), and on top of that is silent as well.

The Mac Mini, and MacBook Air are priced pretty well too. Most choose the Mac Pro (which hasn't been updated in two years and is looking like it's going to be discontinued) or the MacBook Pro (which is often compared to the wrong laptops) to gripe about.

I do believe the Apple HDTV will be priced reasonably, but I still expect there to be similarly spec'd models that are somewhat cheaper. I'm hopeful that Apple does come through with a real innovative way to interact with the TV -- using Siri would be great.
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Their marketing is great.....its too good...it makes you want the product even if you dont need it, and thats what good big business marketing does...makes you want it. I just dont like how they market a product that is "user friendly" and "amazing" yet spec wise is far behind other brands....its insulting to me. the iPhone vs the Android debate the reason i get so fired up is because I have owned both in the past. I did own an iPhone 3g and a 3gs for a short period of time until I got my HTC Inspire (my first droid phone) and honestly after taking the time to understand the product (which wasnt very long) I loved how much more I could do then the iPhone. Again ill say that I dont expect everyone to take the time like I did and read up on what Android offers vs iPhone but the customization and possiblities are endless compared to an iPhone (unles you jailbreak the iPhone but in that case you can do the same with Android so I point back to my original statement)
Yeah my stance on everything is try them both and see what you like best. There's no OS which is better for everyone. I've never owned a droid, but I'm quite happy with my iPhone. I do know the benefits Android offers over iOS but there's nothing to make me switch. I'm quite invested in the iTunes ecosystem, and most of my products (and my families products) are Apple products, and they all work well together.
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I appreciate the input, and I enjoy having intelligent conversations and "arguments" as long as people are civil....Idont hate everyone that owns apple products, I just dislike fanboys.....alot...and apple fanboys are the worst by far.....

My closing point...If i want the mac OS...ill buy a windows machine and buy the OS....which dont get me wrong, its an interesting OS but not worth the premium in price.....
Haha likewise. I think Apple fanboys are bad, but I think Android fanboys are the worst haha lol! xD

It makes sense to buy what suits you best. With Apple, you've only got one type of product to choose from rather than a varying range like with the competition. And I think we can all agree building a custom rig is the best choice tongue.gif
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That's total horse crap! Why does everyone always make that same tired argument? Stop making such behavior acceptable. Besides, to suggest that other companies are on the same level is ludicrous - just read the article. Apple started it all.
What? Apple didn't come up with the idea of avoiding taxes. It's been done for a very long time and every major corporation does it.
Edited by steelbom - 5/26/12 at 9:32pm
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