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Hey guys,

I finished my gaming rig (see below) a couple months back, but I am so very dissapointed with my monitor, the LG W2363D. It's a 120Hz TN panel, but in all honesty I can't tell the difference in smoothness. I knew that the color accuracy wasn't going to be great because it's a TN panel, but this wasn't what I was expecting at all.

So I've decided, I'm going to try to sell this monitor while searching for a new one. I'm going to go with an IPS this time, because I really don't think I will notice any ghosting (I couldn't tell the difference in a TN after all), and the colors are just THAT much better.

I want to go with a Dell because they have all consistently amazing reviews. My price limit is no more than $300, give or take.
So here are the monitors I found:

U2412M for $289:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Dell-UltraSharp-U2412M-24-inch-LED-LCD-3YR-/110885841867?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item19d14fabcb

or
for $310 with extra year warranty:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260047


U2312HM for $235:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Dell-U2312hm-Newest-Revision-A04-Full-3-Year-Warr-14-Day-Returns-/160796781309?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item25703c2afd

or ($220 without warranty?)
http://www.amazon.com/Dell-UltraSharp-U2312HM-IPS-Monitor/dp/B005LN1JEC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1338065329&sr=1-1

Now that I have narrowed down my choices, I have a couple questions that you guys could please help me with!

1.) The U2312HM on ebay lists that it comes with a 3 year warranty, however it does not on the amazon page. Does the monitor from amazon come with any sort of warranty?

2.) Is there any major difference between 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 when gaming? I heard since the 1200p is a 16:10 ratio, it suffers from black bars or field of view loss when gaming. Is this true? Would there be any noticeable fps difference between the resolutions? Also apparently The Witcher 2 (a game I am currently playing) is incompatible with 1200p resolutions. Is that going to be a problem?

3.) What's with the no HDMI? If DVI is the same as HDMI without the audio, then I'm fine with that, but I could be wrong.

4.) It seems the U24 monitor I listed on the ebay link has a Rev A03 panel, while the U23 on the ebay link is a Rev A04. Is there any difference in the picture quality between the two?

4.) Finally, in your opinion do you think the U24 is worth the extra money?? 1 inch bigger screen, 16:10 1200p vs 16:9 1080p, same amount of ports. Is one screen better than the other?

Thanks for the help guys!
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Is there any major difference between 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 when gaming? I heard since the 1200p is a 16:10 ratio, it suffers from black bars or field of view loss when gaming. Is this true? Would there be any noticeable fps difference between the resolutions? Also apparently The Witcher 2 (a game I am currently playing) is incompatible with 1200p resolutions. Is that going to be a problem?

The difference in resolution is not major. It's there but it's not major. Black bars are rare on 3D games aside from cutscenes, which occasionally have them if your monitor does not match the aspect ratio of the cutscene.

16:10 has a narrower FOV on hor+ games, a larger FOV on vert- games compared to 16:9 on the same FOV setting. Vert- games aren't as common. Vert- mostly includes older games and UE3 games. The difference in FOV is not major between 16:9 and 16:10.

If a game doesn't support 16:10 (I'm not sure if the witcher 2 does), you can simply run 1920x1080, having small black bars at the top and the bottom. Your viewable area on a 24" 16:10 would still be larger than on a 23" 16:9. You'll have to decide if black bars are a problem to you.
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What's with the no HDMI? If DVI is the same as HDMI without the audio, then I'm fine with that, but I could be wrong.

That would be true. (Though it's a bit more complicated than that due them having multiple connector types). In this case, the only difference is the lack of sound on DVI.
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It seems the U24 monitor I listed on the ebay link has a Rev A03 panel, while the U23 on the ebay link is a Rev A04. Is there any difference in the picture quality between the two?

Revisions might fix some issues on the monitors but they do not for the most part change image quality. The two models have differences in IQ, revisions do not in the same manner. Comparing revisions of two different models might just as well be comparing the two models directly. The two are very similar. I believe the u2412m might have lower black levels and a higher contrast as a result.
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Finally, in your opinion do you think the U24 is worth the extra money?? 1 inch bigger screen, 16:10 1200p vs 16:9 1080p, same amount of ports. Is one screen better than the other?

I would say it's worth it for both the extra size and resolution. Neither is a bad choice and it's really up to you to decide if it's worth the money to go u2412m.
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Hey i am in the same situation as you. I am getting the U2312HM. the difference between 1920x1080 and 1920x1200 is nothing to be amazed by. I saw both monitors in person and the 23" seems better. You save some cash and your movies show better. The 16:10 ratio stretches the images too much. Its not bad but looks weird at times. I found it to be uncomfortable since i use my pc all the time.

HDMI and DVI is the same just DVI has no audio that's it. I have heard that dual link DVI supports higher resolutions better as well.

TN panels at 120hz SUCK!! Way to overrated. I saw and ips and was like :O.

Go for the U2312HM in you wont be disappointed at all. I haven't purchased mine yet because i waiting to have a little more cash.

Go buy it now..
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The 16:10 ratio stretches the images too much. Its not bad but looks weird at times. I found it to be uncomfortable since i use my pc all the time.

If 16:10 stretches your image, something is being done wrong. Scaling settings should ideally be set to keep original aspect ratio or 1:1. Setting it to scale full display will cause stretching if it's a different aspect ratio. If you follow this, 16:10 won't have stretched anything.
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Thank you for the help I really appreciate it! I really want to get the 24" 16:10 screen, but there are 2 things holding me back:

1.) It seems the industry is heading more and more towards ONLY 1080p screens. I don't want to have to switch to 1080p (therefore degrading my picture quality because it isn't my native resolution) because future games won't support 1920x1200. Your native resolution always looks best, so I don't want to be forced to that.

2.) The U23 has a MUCH lower input lag (.6 ms) than any of its competition, including the U24 (9.4ms). If the picture quality is about the same on both monitors, but one has a much better input lag, why wouldn't you go with that one?


Of course I probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway in #2, so maybe I should just cast my worries away and go for the U24.
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For gaming, I'd say the U2312HM is the better buy. I'd take the reduced input lag over a 1" larger screen with a slightly larger resolution.
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1.) It seems the industry is heading more and more towards ONLY 1080p screens. I don't want to have to switch to 1080p (therefore degrading my picture quality because it isn't my native resolution) because future games won't support 1920x1200. Your native resolution always looks best, so I don't want to be forced to that.

If you use 1:1 scaling, you won't have a reduction in image quality due to scaling. You'll have black bars with 1:1, but the image won't be scaled, therefore it will look like a monitor running 1920x1080 natively. Just with black bars at the top and bottom.

Also, what industry? The monitor industry? It might be the standard of the lowish end of the monitor market (and therefore being the most common choice), that doesn't mean it's the only option out there. Other resolutions will be continued to be supported because they exist. Most software works perfectly fine on even the most uncommon resolutions because it's made to be flexible in terms of resolution. The one exception to this is TV and movies. You won't be forced to use 1920x1080. (Aside from TV and movies) In some cases (a handful of games) you'll have to use a set aspect ratio though this is not all that common.
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2.) The U23 has a MUCH lower input lag (.6 ms) than any of its competition, including the U24 (9.4ms). If the picture quality is about the same on both monitors, but one has a much better input lag, why wouldn't you go with that one?
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For gaming, I'd say the U2312HM is the better buy. I'd take the reduced input lag over a 1" larger screen with a slightly larger resolution.

These numbers are incorrect. The best information on input lag you'll get from prad (usually). U2412m and u2312hm. You'll see that both have extremely low input lag and both are around the same in that regard. Many other review sites have incorrect numbers on input lag due to the inaccurate methods they used to measure it.

Extensive article on prad here.
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I would go with the U2412M, i prefer 1920x1200 just because its higher.
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How much are you looking to get for ur monitor.
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I would go with the U2412M, i prefer 1920x1200 just because its higher.
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