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I dont play many games, but in the games I have played recently (Mass Effect 3, NFS Hot Pursuit, and MEtro 2033) I have never noticed any graininess from the AG coat. Movies look great. I think you will be too impressed by the superb color reproduction and insane contrast levels to be bothered by any antiglare during movies.

Tomorrow I'm gonna run to my local electronics store and look at some of these monitors in person. I'll make my decision there smile.gif
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You don't really want to remove the AG. It leaves the monitor vurnable even if you manage to do it without harming the monitor.
If you don't want IPS level AG coatings, your choices are a bit more limited. You could go with the dell ST2220T or the eizo FS2332. Both would "solve" the AG issue. You'd sacrifice in other areas though.
what issues are there? My lg's been de Ag'd for over a month without an issue.

If you've read most of the AG removal threads, some of them end up doing something to it afterwards that ends up ruining it. It takes more effort to clean it without causing issues, for example.
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27" 16:9 isn't all that much bigger than a 24" 16:10
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You don't really want to remove the AG. It leaves the monitor vurnable even if you manage to do it without harming the monitor.
If you don't want IPS level AG coatings, your choices are a bit more limited. You could go with the dell ST2220T or the eizo FS2332. Both would "solve" the AG issue. You'd sacrifice in other areas though.

Hmm, well what about the newer LG IPS monitors? Like this one?
http://www.amazon.com/LG-IPS236V-1080p-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/B004SUDU9Q/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

The Asus PA238Q? Or how about cheaper monitors like the ViewSonic VX2336 or the AOC I2353PH 23? I'm not sure if the last two aren't as great because they are cheaper, and I'm not sure if any of those are glossy screens, but I was just throwing out other monitors out there to be compared to the U23/U24.

All the ones I have listed have been consistently rated good and have had relatively low (low for an IPS) response times/input lag for gaming.

The PA238Q is a good model but similar to the u2311h and u2312hm (more so the former). The LG models lack overdrive, meaning they have much more noticeable ghosting, making them worse for gaming. I don't know if this also happens on the viewsonic and AOC models. The only one out of those that has been reported as having lesser AG is the AOC, and even then, we just don't know enough to say whether or not that is true.

If you want a glossy IPS in the size range, it'd be the dell ST2220T. If you want a matte "IPS" with no heavy AG coating, that'd be the eizo FS2332.
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I dont play many games, but in the games I have played recently (Mass Effect 3, NFS Hot Pursuit, and MEtro 2033) I have never noticed any graininess from the AG coat. Movies look great. I think you will be too impressed by the superb color reproduction and insane contrast levels to be bothered by any antiglare during movies.

It tends to be difficult to notice in darker games with a lot of texture to everything. It's only really noticeable on brighter games where everything isn't overly detailed. That's what I've observed.
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If you've read most of the AG removal threads, some of them end up doing something to it afterwards that ends up ruining it. It takes more effort to clean it without causing issues, for example.
The PA238Q is a good model but similar to the u2311h and u2312hm (more so the former). The LG models lack overdrive, meaning they have much more noticeable ghosting, making them worse for gaming. I don't know if this also happens on the viewsonic and AOC models. The only one out of those that has been reported as having lesser AG is the AOC, and even then, we just don't know enough to say whether or not that is true.
If you want a glossy IPS in the size range, it'd be the dell ST2220T. If you want a matte "IPS" with no heavy AG coating, that'd be the eizo FS2332.
It tends to be difficult to notice in darker games with a lot of texture to everything. It's only really noticeable on brighter games where everything isn't overly detailed. That's what I've observed.

Is there a 23" or 24" version of the ST2220T? I see there is the ST2420L and 21L but I'm not sure if that's the same family or not. What's the tradeoff on these monitors for a glossy screen? Are the picture quality and colors just as good as on the U2412M? I'll keep looking around.

Edit: The Eizo is too expensive for me and if the Asus is based on the U2311H I'm not sure what to think. What does that mean on differences from our U24 here??


I really cannot thank you for all of the help you've given me! I don't want to gimp myself into buying a crap monitor for picture quality again!
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So it isn't grainy looking at all during movies and doesn't have that "dirty screen" feeling when gaming? I would actually prefer glossy, but do you think the picture quality on the U2412m is really great? If so, I may just have to forgive the AG coating and try to forget it's there. I hope that won't be hard.
The AG issue is also preference, I found it annoying through out except in really dark scenes, that being said not everyone will agree that the AG coating is that bad.
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So it isn't grainy looking at all during movies and doesn't have that "dirty screen" feeling when gaming? I would actually prefer glossy, but do you think the picture quality on the U2412m is really great? If so, I may just have to forgive the AG coating and try to forget it's there. I hope that won't be hard.
The AG issue is also preference, I found it annoying through out except in really dark scenes, that being said not everyone will agree that the AG coating is that bad.
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If you've read most of the AG removal threads, some of them end up doing something to it afterwards that ends up ruining it. It takes more effort to clean it without causing issues, for example.
The PA238Q is a good model but similar to the u2311h and u2312hm (more so the former). The LG models lack overdrive, meaning they have much more noticeable ghosting, making them worse for gaming. I don't know if this also happens on the viewsonic and AOC models. The only one out of those that has been reported as having lesser AG is the AOC, and even then, we just don't know enough to say whether or not that is true.
If you want a glossy IPS in the size range, it'd be the dell ST2220T. If you want a matte "IPS" with no heavy AG coating, that'd be the eizo FS2332.
It tends to be difficult to notice in darker games with a lot of texture to everything. It's only really noticeable on brighter games where everything isn't overly detailed. That's what I've observed.

Is there a 23" or 24" version of the ST2220T? I see there is the ST2420L and 21L but I'm not sure if that's the same family or not. What's the tradeoff on these monitors for a glossy screen? Are the picture quality and colors just as good as on the U2412M? I'll keep looking around.

Edit: The Eizo is too expensive for me and if the Asus is based on the U2311H I'm not sure what to think. What does that mean on differences from our U24 here??


I really cannot thank you for all of the help you've given me! I don't want to gimp myself into buying a crap monitor for picture quality again!

The ST2220T is dell's only glossy IPS. The ST2*20L line are matte TN models. Definitely not the same thing.

The ST2220T is only 21.5" and has a terrible stand. It is however cheap and glossy as well as one of the better IPS models in its price range picture quality wise. Aside from the lower resolution, it could be considered as superior to the u2412m picture quality wise. I don't seriously want to recommend it as a main monitor though, as it doesn't have a proper stand. Why dell would've designed such a monitor without VESA mounting, I have no idea.
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You said that the Asus I similar to the U2311H, how so? Is the Asus glossy? And how is the picture quality compared to the U2412M?? I'm gonna see if I can find the Dell's in store!
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You said that the Asus I similar to the U2311H, how so? Is the Asus glossy? And how is the picture quality compared to the U2412M?? I'm gonna see if I can find the Dell's in store!
Asus is matte, The 23" ips asus is based more closely to the u2311hm.
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Asus is matte, The 23" ips asus is based more closely to the u2311hm.

Damn! I can't seem to find a glossy 23/24" IPS monitor with great picture quality and reasonable response time for gaming around this price range. I honestly think I should stop overtinking all of this and go with the U24. I don't know if I'll be able to tell the difference between that and any other IPS monitor around my budget.
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Asus is matte, The 23" ips asus is based more closely to the u2311hm.

Damn! I can't seem to find a glossy 23/24" IPS monitor with great picture quality and reasonable response time for gaming around this price range. I honestly think I should stop overtinking all of this and go with the U24. I don't know if I'll be able to tell the difference between that and any other IPS monitor around my budget.

There's a reason for why you can't find any 23"/24" glossy IPS. Basically none are available.
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