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Poll Results: Which Coolers?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 33% (5)
    Corsair H100
  • 40% (6)
    Noctua NH-D14
  • 6% (1)
    Arctic Accelero Twin Turbo II
  • 6% (1)
    Arctic Accelero Hybrid
  • 13% (2)
    Other
15 Total Votes  
post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hey all,

My sig rig is currently cooled by a C14 on my CPU, and the stock Sapphire cooler on my GPU (Dual Fan/Dirt 3 edition), and I'm looking to upgrade BOTH coolers.

In order to push my CPU further, the C14 has got to go (need it for another system anyway), and the GPU cooler gets pretty loud, and not very cool under load.

So my CPU cooler options are fairly obvious, either the D14 or the H100.
Whereas for the GPU, I'm thinking of the Accelero Twin Turbo II, or the upcoming Accelero Hybrid.

Now obviously the cheapest option is to go with the D14 and the Twin Turbo, but I'm wondering if it is worth it to go for the closed loop systems.

Seeing as I'm in the UK, I'm worried that the Accelero Hybrid is going to be incredibly expensive.
What's the best choice for both my CPU and GPU?

Things to consider:
I am using the Coolermaster 690 II Case, so space is not an issue, although I won't be able to fit an H100 with push/pull very easily.
I will be using 2 Noctua NF-F12 fans on which ever cooler I get, so Noise is not much of a problem.

I know the D14 vs H100 topic has been beaten to death, but I would like to know about the GPU side of things too.

Any input is greatly appreciated, let me know if you need anymore information.

Cheers. thumb.gif
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post #2 of 17
I used the d-14 and the c-14 on the same chip with the same volts with the same ambients and the difference was minimal to say the least. I would temper my expectations. Do you have the budget or desire to go with a water loop ? Also, how are your temps right now ? I have trouble imagining that c-14 is having difficulty cooling a 955 @ 3.6ghz. Also, I wouldn't overlook the silver arrow or the phanteks cooler.
  
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post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 
It's not that my C14 is not currently good enough, it's that when I've tried to go above 3.6GHz, it's been the temperatures that have been the problem.

Here's the link to my old overclocking thread if you're interested:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1248333/overclocking-my-phenom-ii-take-2

I'm afraid that a custom water loop is not really an option.
The silver arrow seems to be unavailable in the UK at the moment, I can't seem to find it on any of the main sites. headscratch.gif

I hadn't considered the Phanteks though, thanks for the suggestion!

Looks like you'd pick a high end air cooler over the H100 then?

Edit: 300 posts biggrin.gif
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post #4 of 17
Regarding the cooling of your Sapphire HD6950 2GB Dirt3

Its cooling has five heatpipes (3 inner ones are 5mm while the 2 outer ones are 10mm, according to Hardocp. These are odd sizes and I suspect their measurement is wrong. I think they are 6mm and 8mm respecively. Anyway....) and two 70mm fans. According to a few reviews that I scanned, this is a very effective cooling, making this card one of the coolest of high end cards, unless you begin to seriously overclock it. But from your sig, I see you are running it at stock clockings (ie factory overclocked).

I do not think AC Twin Turbo II will bring a significant improvement over this stock Sapphire cooling. AC Twin Turbo II has also five heatpipes, each of 6mm and two 92mm fans. Granted that the fans are larger, I just do not think the improvement will justify the cost.

What GPU temp you are getting? Has the temp been always like this since the card was new?
I suspect, the culprit for unsatisfactory GPU temp is either high ambient temp or poor air management inside the case or the heatsink fins have been clogged with dirt or the thermal paste has dried prematurely dried out or a combination of these factors (and perhaps some others).

I suggest, removing the plastic shroud and do a through cleaning of the heatsink fins. And, if you wish, remove the heatsink and reapply the thermal paste.

Additionally, re-evaluate the air management of your CM 690 II Advanced. It surely is a case with excellent airflow. But this cannot be taken for granted. As you do not have a pic with description of how you design the airflow (ie incoming fresh air path and exhausting hot air path), I cannot offer more specific comment.

One thing I notice is that you have an Asus Xonar DG PCI sound card. I surely hope you have installed it to the lowest PCI slot of your motherboard (Asus M4A88T-V EVO). I expect the HD6950 is installed to the top (dark blue) PCIEx16 slot. Its non traditional cooling design really does need an empty slot next to it for effective cooling. In other words, the Xonar DG sound card better not sits in the PCI slot directly underneath it, causing higher than usual temp.

Last note:- as your Sapphire HD6950 2GB Dirt3 is a non reference card, double check any aftermarket cooler that you are interested as many only fit reference cards. Beware!

Regarding the CPU cooling
I wonder why you said fitting the H100 with push/pull is not going to be easy with the 690 II Advanced.

The H100 rad is 27mm thick. So, doing push+pull fans will yield a total thickness of 27 + 25 + 25 = 77mm.
Perhaps you can use this to check against the space between the case ceiling and the top of your motherboard.

In the meantime, I looked into this thread to find people fitting H100 into a 690 II.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1144409/h80-h100-case-compatibility-thread-page-1-for-full-listings

There are four listings and one member mentions his H100 fits in at the ceiling without modding but he said this depends on hardware. I suppose he means depending on the motherboard as some motherboards have big heatsinks along the top edge, thus conflicting with the fans.

Then, I compare his motherboard (EVGA P55 FTW) with yours (Asus M4A88T-V EVO). My visual comparison says that your mobo has a high chance of not conflicting with the fans. Look at my pic below to compare the top edge of the 2 mobos.
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But, of course, your measurement should be the final judge.
Edited by windfire - 5/27/12 at 6:00am
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by windfire View Post

Regarding the cooling of your Sapphire HD6950 2GB Dirt3
*Snip

Regarding the CPU cooling
*Snip

GPU:
I generally leave the fan on auto (Enable manual fan control is unchecked in CCC)
I have not yet got round to overclocking my GPU outside of maxing out the sliders in CCC, my main concern was that an arctic cooler would be cooler and quieter once i started overclocking in Trixx.
I have had the card for at least 6 months, so I will remove the heatsink and clean it in a few days time. Thanks for suggesting that, I hadn't really thought of it.
The fact that Summer hit the UK with a vengeance over the last few days probably does not help with the temperatures.
I will hold off on changing the GPU cooler until I've had a thorough go at overclocking it.
Yes, the Sound Card is in the bottom most PCI slot, although I have a usb card directly underneath the GPU, which I will remove, I have had little use for it recently.

Edit: I emailed arctic about my GPU, raising my concerns about compatibility, as I've read that my specific card is very water block unfriendly, and they said that the Hybrid is compatible.
I'm not so sure though, I think they saw '6950' and just told me it would fit.

Thanks for your post. smile.gif

CPU:
Thanks for putting the time into researching this. smile.gif
I've looked around the 690II Club thread, and I figured fitting push/pull would be difficult as my RAM slots are at the very top of the motherboard.
I will do some more measuring to see what's what.

Thanks again for your post thumb.gif
Edited by Kyronn94 - 5/27/12 at 6:30am
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post #6 of 17
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Also added a poll thumb.gif
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post #7 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyronn94 View Post

It's not that my C14 is not currently good enough, it's that when I've tried to go above 3.6GHz, it's been the temperatures that have been the problem.

playing the silicone lottery sucks. to be honest, to gain 8°-12° with a custom loop
or 8° with a H100 for a better load temp, just doesn't sound good for a .2-.5MHz
processor bump in speed. you might want to look into alternate processor speed
solutions. water-cooling can only do so much, but its not a magic bean for CPU
speeds.

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post #8 of 17
Thread Starter 
Just a quick update on the GPU side.

I've removed and cleaned out the cooler, as well as re applied the thermal paste with Noctua NT-H1, and I get a maximum temperature in Furmark of 71 degrees.
Before, I used to get 75+, and that was back when it was cooler in the UK tongue.gif

I'm very pleased with the result, thanks for the suggestion windfire thumb.gif

In regards to my CPU,I'm pretty sure that my Phenom will do 3.8 stable, it's just the temperatures holding me back, hence why I'm still at 3.6GHz.

Thanks for everyone's input so far. smile.gif
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post #9 of 17
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Bump!
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post #10 of 17
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Gonna give this thread a final bump, I must say that I thought that this would generate more discussion than it has tongue.gif

Every time I check the Poll, the D14 and H100 are tied in votes, and I genuinely don't know which one to go for.
For me, the pros/cons looks like this:

H100:
Pros:
Less fans in case
More 'direct' airflow in case
Should be quieter
Cools more efficiently
Cooler Case internals
Customer Service / top quality manufacturer

Cons:
WATER in my PC?! tongue.gif
Corsair possibly having bad batches at the moment (Just a rumor, not sure about that one)
Leaks
Pump noise?


D14:
Pros:
One of the best heat sinks on the market.
Bundled with 2 quality fans
More secure mount (I dislike using the stock AMD front plate)
No water involved.
Customer Service / top quality manufacturer

Cons:
Could block GPU exhaust (Possibly, I read about someone's GPU temps increasing after using the D14)
Big, bulky heat sink
Can create an 'air tunnel' in my case for efficient cooling.
2 extra fans in the case.

If someone could shed some light on any of these ideas, that would be great.

I could really do with some help, I've never been so torn over a piece of PC hardware! tongue.gif


Cheers.
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