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i was gonna say... lol. isn't there an SSD spot on the back of the mobo tray. but your logic makes perfect sense! good decision!
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Thanks for all the measurements!, going to look at my other options now. thumb.gif
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This is going to sound a bit noobish as i'm still new to this, but bear with me a bit. If I recall, the purpose of the top opening for the HAF XM is so that the fans pull the hot air out of the system, since hot air flows upwards. If you cover it with that 360 RAD, doesn't that prevent the heat from leaving the case, creating a pocket of hot air just under the RAD within the case?

Or is the water cooling supposed to prevent that hot air from even being created within the case?

I plan on using the XSPC RX360 Watercooling Kit, so it will indeed use a 360 RAD and a Dual Bay Res/Pump.

Here's an image of the RAD:
http://www.crazypc.com/images/coolers/watercooling/xspc/360radiatorhuge.jpg
The Dimensions: 124x63x400mm (WxDxH)

Here's an image of the Dual Bay Pump/Res:
http://www.crazypc.com/images/coolers/watercooling/xspc/reservoirhuge.jpg
Dimensions: 149 x 100 x 85mm (WxDxH)

What do you think? Do you think that would fit to your modding? If it does, I would gladly go the XM way and follow your modding. As much as I want a Full Tower, I don't like the sheer bulk of it as I don't plan on SLI or anything SUPER fancy. I just want it to look good and run my GTX 480 in peace. And an i5-2500k, maybe a slight bit of over clocking.

Is there enough space in there to fit a T-Line for easy draining?
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The fans attached to the radiator are still pulling air out of the case. With the CPU and GPU watercooled, most of the heat generated is carried away with the water. I have a temperature probe right behind my intake fan in front and one attached to the top of the radiator. The difference in temperature between the cool air coming in and air coming out is about 2-3 degrees C at idle and anywhere from 3-5 at load. The internal case temps probably aren't more than 1-2 degrees above ambient if that.

As for your kit, a dual bay pump-reservoir will be a tight fit, but I think it can be done. If you have the radiator fittings right next to where the bay reservoir will be installed, you might be able to get it to work with some right-angle fittings. What I don't see working is the RX360 radiator. It's a thick radiator unlike the one that I use. With my set-up the radiator + fans = thickness of RX360 without fans.

You should be able to find an xspc kit featuring the same EX360 I have. There's plenty of room for a t-line going from the CPU or GPU back to the res + pump.

I will be installing a 3930k and p9x79 ws this weekend and updating this thread with new pictures. Maybe a video walk-around. That motherboard is said to produce a lot more heat in addition to the CPU producing a lot of heat, so we'll see how well I can cool it with my set-up. I'm already planning on ordering another 120/140 radiator to attach to the back of the case and a heatsink + fan for my mcp35x pump just to help off-set the new heat load a little.
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post #15 of 35
there is plenty of room in the HAF XM or so i've been told by cooler master representatives for a dual radiator solution. and the radiator does exactly what you thought which is to keep the hot temps from even appearing so there should be no hot air problem in your case, if anything it will be room temperature.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Utah View Post

You should be able to find an xspc kit featuring the same EX360 I have. There's plenty of room for a t-line going from the CPU or GPU back to the res + pump.
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The only issue I have is the price. I know there is a Kit that features the Raystorm EX360, but I really can't afford that one right now, and because it's my first Water cooled set up, I'd rather not go big yet.

How about the RS360? Would that provide the cooling I need for my GPU from hell?

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14236/ex-rad-292/XSPC_RS360_Triple_120mm_Low_Profile_Radiator_Rev_2.html
Dimensions:121x35x397mm (WxDxH)

I noticed the dimensions are the same as the Raystorm. Would I need stronger fans for this one?

Also, you said I could possibly use Right Angle fittings to make that tight fight for the Res/Pump to Rad. Could you show me an example of what I would need? Would it be close enough that I just need an inch or so of tubing?

Thanks.
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Yeah an RS360 should work fine since it's a slim rad. You can use low speed fans on that one without issue as well.

It'd be really hard to demonstrate how exactly it would fit since I don't have a bay res. I don't know if the fittings on the bay res will line up with the radiator fittings exactly and it may bee too tight for tubing without kinking. You'd probably have better luck with radiator fittings facing towards the rear with a bay res. I didn't know the final position of my components until I actually received the case and tried fitting things in there myself. Either way, I'm sure it can be done with only a few more small cuts or drilled holes.

Also considering how tight things are towards the rear of the case, you might want to consider going with 3/8" barbs/tubing just to further help clearance a little more. Uninstalling or finding a slimmer rear fan should also help with that. With a 200mm+230mm fans pulling in cool air to the case, I believe it's creating positive pressure so eliminating the rear fan shouldn't have any major impact. Air will still want to escape through that hole.
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Yeah an RS360 should work fine since it's a slim rad. You can use low speed fans on that one without issue as well.
It'd be really hard to demonstrate how exactly it would fit since I don't have a bay res. I don't know if the fittings on the bay res will line up with the radiator fittings exactly and it may bee too tight for tubing without kinking. You'd probably have better luck with radiator fittings facing towards the rear with a bay res. I didn't know the final position of my components until I actually received the case and tried fitting things in there myself. Either way, I'm sure it can be done with only a few more small cuts or drilled holes.
Also considering how tight things are towards the rear of the case, you might want to consider going with 3/8" barbs/tubing just to further help clearance a little more. Uninstalling or finding a slimmer rear fan should also help with that. With a 200mm+230mm fans pulling in cool air to the case, I believe it's creating positive pressure so eliminating the rear fan shouldn't have any major impact. Air will still want to escape through that hole.

Thanks a lot. It seems like it would be a huge amount of trouble for a beginner. I think if i'm going to drop that much money for the Kit and have to deal with that kind of trouble with the dual bay slot, I might as well just go custom. I looked up the set up you have, and it looks very nice. I might go with the same set up as yours if you don't have a patent on it wink.gif If not exactly, maybe a slightly cheaper pump / res.

Guess i'll have to weigh out everything in the end and see.

Aesthetically having a bay res with led lighting would look pretty sweet, but could be limiting and bothersome for installation purposes. But it's also cheaper if I buy the Kit.

I found an image of the back of the pump. With how you set up your Rad, do you think this appears too high?
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/image/10038/ex-res-161_5.jpg/ex-res-161/XSPC_X2O_750_Dual_525_Bay_Reservoir_Pump.html

On the other hand, having it within the case keeps that mystery factor up until you suddenly open it and show it off. The tubing would be much easier too, and proven with your images.

Maybe in the end it's still going to be price...Bah, this water cooling thing...
=========================================UPDATE EDIT======================
Looks like I won't be using the HAF XM. I browsed Craigslist for a HAF XM and could not find one, but I ended up finding the HAF 932 for $80.

Looks like I own't have to struggle too much now, but I still think your HAF XM modification is not only amazing, it's so simple that anyone can use it.

I'll be looking forward to your future mod attempts with great interest! Good luck!
Edited by Nanaya Ryougi - 6/15/12 at 1:08pm
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If you put a 90-deg fitting on the lower-left bay res hole, I think it could work. A few posts up I measured a little over 5" of clearance between the rad and front of the external bays. At 100mm, this bay res shouldn't have issues with touching the rad. So for future reference, I think anyone looking to use the HAF XM with a rasa kit should be ok provided they pick up an extra 90-deg fitting and use a slim rad.

Good deal on the 932. It'll definitely be easier to work with a 360 rad. I considered going with the HAF X, but the style is a little overstated for my taste. I like the cleaner lines and design of the XM. Also wish the case was about $15-$20 less expensive and they eliminated the hot swap bays in favor of at least 1 more 5.25". Good luck with your build. I read the water cooling forum for a good 6 months before putting this rig together. I worked slowly and felt comfortable with what I was doing the whole time. I'm glad to share my experience.
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Update!

I added some new toys to this build this weekend and got some overclocking done.

Newly added:
3930K - C2
Asus P9X79 WS
4x4GB Samsung 30nm ram

Overclocking the 3930K is straightforward and dare-I-say elegant. As clockspeed increase, VID automatically increases so as a user, all you're left to do is manage LLC and a little off-set here and there.

This overclock could not have been possible without Sin0822 and the Asus X79 overclocking guide.

First I used the Asus guide to set preliminary power thresholds and such to ensure I'll have all the power I need for a nice overclock. Next, using Sin's explanation of the vcore and vid relationship, I started the process. Initially my goal was to use turbo overclocking and set multipliers for different load thresholds. I canned that idea eventually because Windows makes it very difficult for the highest multi to stick for an extended period of time. I figured I'd just be better off setting all the cores to a single voltage and thereby reduce the complexity of the OC.

I didn't drop turbo overclocking outright, I just set all the cores to the same turbo level. This way I can still enjoy idle down-clocking and the significant power savings it provides.

My VID started at 1.14v stock. Moving up from there I eventually stopped at 4.8Ghz and 1.31v at load running Prime95.
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Looking around at some other 3930K overclocks, I think I've definitely come out ahead in the silicon lottery. My goal was 4.5-4.6 for all six cores without having to venture too far past 1.3v and I've definitely accomplished that. I don't feel the need to explore any higher for the moment but the magical 5Ghz threshold is looming ever-so-closely, I know I'll make a stab at it soon to really see just how good this processor is.

As for the case, the EATX board was installed with no drama. Things don't feel cramped at all so I'm pleased with that. Actually the EATX board looks more natural sitting inside the case than my old ATX board did. This build has turned out great. I was worried I'd have to make a substantial cooling upgrade for the 3930K, but thankfully the silicon gods were smiling on me and that won't be necessary. The VRMs do get warm. I measure just under 60C during prime loads from the VRM backplate.

One complaint I have about the positioning of the 200mm fan on this case is it sits a little too low for my tastes. All that air flow from the side fan is only being directed to the bottom half of the motherboard below the first GPU. It also doesn't help the GPU occupies the first PCI-e slot since this is a quad gpu capable board. I may decide to set-up a fan somewhere to blow on the VRMs in the future, but it's not a pressing need.
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