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Yeah are they out as I would like to get my hand on one of these up close and look at it. Something maybe for my HTPC
     
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Looks great! This should make water cooling in the new BitFenix Mini-ITX cases much more space efficient and probable. Can't wait to pick up one of these to replace my H60 on CPU and Antec Kuhler 620 on my GPU. Those swivel fittings on the side are bizarre though.
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post #33 of 82
Looks very interesting. Good job swiftech!
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Aww yeah, this looks amazing!

Perfect for micro rigs!

IMHO trying to fit the pump somewhere it won't vibrate and it won't be loose either is the hardest part of building a small watercooled computer lol!
   
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What kind of noise levels are we looking at here? From what I can see, I wouldn't call it decoupled, so the sound level is likely significant rendering it not that practical for a rig that is looking for low noise. I know noise levels can be very subjective, however, any input is better than nothing.
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post #36 of 82
Odd, I cant find it for sale other than at the Swiftech site. Is that the only place atm?
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Originally Posted by gabe@swiftech View Post

It is with no small measure of pride and satisfaction that I can finally introduce to you the long-awaited Apogee Drive II integrated pump & water-block.
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"Like a phoenix rising from its ashes, the Apogee™ Drive II integrated pump & waterblock returns to take its place at the helm of Swiftech's CPU waterblock product line. "
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A little bit of history..
Derived in general concept from the original Apogee Drive initially released in 2007 and discontinued in 2009, the Apogee Drive II much differs from the original in terms of its execution.
The original Apogee Drive was conceived as a relatively low cost unit, using injection molding for its body, and the entry-level MCP350 pump. It came with the bare essentials. But from a manufacturing stand-point though, the concept turned-out to be the product's Achilles heel: upgrading the body to accomodate new CPU socket form factors was impractical and we just couldn't cost-justify it.
In contrast, the Apogee Drive II is conceived as a luxury vessel: its uses the MCP35X, the best pump in our line-up , a precision CNC machined water-block body that lends itself to easy upgrades for future socket form factors, adjustable inlet and outlet ports, a heatsink to further cool the pump, LED illuminated logo in a choice of 3 colors, braided cables, and our now famous retention system. The only concession to cost that we made was to not bundle all the retention systems into one sku, and to make 3 separate product versions.
And how does it perform ?
Performance wise, the charts below speak for themselves. The Apogee Drive II is undeniably the new King of the Hill:
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The following two charts compare thermal performance while the Apogee Drive II is added to an existing loop, for a total of two pumps in operations:
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The following chart compares thermal performance of a conventional setup versus one where both water-block and pump have been replaced by an Apogee™ Drive II (1 pump in operations):
APD2-Perf-Loop-3930K.png
And now for the long-awaited internals:
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Well, this pretty much concludes this product introduction. There is a bit more information on the product web page, so just head over there if there is anything I didn't cover here.
I hope you guys will like using it as much as we enjoyed making it. I also want to take this opportunity to publicly thank Stephen, our thermal engineer whose brain-child this is, and Alex our plant manager for working so hard at producing another great quality product!



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Aww yeah, this looks amazing!
Perfect for micro rigs! IMHO trying to fit the pump somewhere it won't vibrate and it won't be loose either is the hardest part of building a small watercooled computer lol!

Don't get me wrong I love the interest for space constrained applications, but I don't want this product to be tagged as a MATX only application. so I want to emphasize that this is the most powerful waterbock & pump combo on the planet.. and a superb addition to ANY high-end rig!

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What kind of noise levels are we looking at here? From what I can see, I wouldn't call it decoupled, so the sound level is likely significant rendering it not that practical for a rig that is looking for low noise. I know noise levels can be very subjective, however, any input is better than nothing.

The same noise level as the speed&noise adjustable MCP35X. You run it at the speed/noise level you want. From virtually silent at 1300 rpm (you need your ear on it to know it works), to what my own subjective ear calls rather loud at full 4500 rpm speed.
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Odd, I cant find it for sale other than at the Swiftech site. Is that the only place atm?

We just strted shipping to resellers this week, it takes a few days to reach them..
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Originally Posted by gabe@swiftech View Post

The same noise level as the speed&noise adjustable MCP35X. You run it at the speed/noise level you want. From virtually silent at 1300 rpm (you need your ear on it to know it works), to what my own subjective ear calls rather loud at full 4500 rpm speed.

I have a PMP 400 (DDC 3.25) and a MCP35X. Both are fully decoupled. The PMP 400 is held with adhesive backed velcro mounted on foam which is glued to a wood block. The MCP35X is suspended from the tubing and doesn't touch anything. Both are running full speed, both are virtually silent. This setup would be, in my opinion, considerably noisier, as it is fastened to the MB with solid metal parts. Thus, all vibrations are passed to the computer, and the sounding board effect will amplify the noise considerably. Probably not the best set up for quiet cooling, which is why I got into water cooling in the first place.

Good idea though for those more concerned with space than noise.
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I have a PMP 400 (DDC 3.25) and a MCP35X. Both are fully decoupled. The PMP 400 is held with adhesive backed velcro mounted on foam which is glued to a wood block. The MCP35X is suspended from the tubing and doesn't touch anything. Both are running full speed, both are virtually silent. This setup would be, in my opinion, considerably noisier, as it is fastened to the MB with solid metal parts. Thus, all vibrations are passed to the computer, and the sounding board effect will amplify the noise considerably. Probably not the best set up for quiet cooling, which is why I got into water cooling in the first place.
Good idea though for those more concerned with space than noise.

I would certainly not call the 35X virtually silent, even when suspended. But again, I should clarify that I judge this at no pump load (or just a CPU in the loop). Now, when you have multiple devices in the loop, the pump noise level will diminish substantially, which might be how you judge your own setup. But in which case, the noise reduction would also apply to an Apogee Drive II setup.

It would appear nonetheless that my ear might be even more demanding than yours. I have a high-power machine sitting next to me, and I don't want to hear it period! Based on this, I can now respond with assurance that your concern isn't founded :-) If you are more concerned by noise than thermal performance anyways (to clarify : if you don't mind loosing about 0.3C in CPU temp at full load), then you wouldn't mind tuning the pump to 3000 rpm level, right? this, you can accomplish without need for a complex suspension or setup.. just install it, tune it to your liking and forget it.
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