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I know you say "bic" lighter but will a zippo work to melt para-cord easily? I already have one thats empty so I need to ether buy fuel for it or buy a bic.

Also, I was walking through home depot and found some 16AWG wire for cheap and picked it up. You talked a lot about finding the perfect kind of wire but if I understand that was for the wire coating to be thinner for easier connection into the connector?
I guess what I am asking is if I can go wrong from an electrical perspective just picking up cheap wire. (going with heatshrinkless para-cord method)

thanks oneeyedsmiley02.png

Bump. The zippo is great because I can leave it on and standing up with two hands for the cable (gets super hot to touch tho).

Also, maybe I am doing it wrong, but I cannot make the Hans Long HT-225D crimper get the long wings to make the heart shape. They will not curl into the wire so one overlaps the other and one wing breaks off after the crimp is done. Any suggestions? The wire part is still gripped firmly and as a test I got pliers and tried to rip the wire from the pin. It took a considerable amount of force and strength so if I made my cables this way they would never break.



I followed this video exactly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNA2pkcrSMc

If you are using the pins from Mainframe Customs, I had the same problem with them. They appear to be a bit brittle and the insulation wings are too short for larger sized wires.
     
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The Han Lon HT-225D crimper will never 'curl' the wings on the pin as the dies are flat and don't have the little 'bump' that causes the wing to make the heart shape. All the wings do with that tool is overlap.

I've used that tool and was easily able to pull the pin off the wire when stretching the paracord or PET sleeving tightly onto the wire.

If you find the wings break with that tool, the Lutro/MDPC-X tool or the SN-28B then the dies need adjusting. Somewhere in this forum is a guide on how to adjust the Lutro/MDPC-X crimper.

Edit; Adjusting the MDPC-X Tool
Edited by Big Elf - 6/12/16 at 2:08pm
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Just to chime in about parachute cord sleeving. I've discovered that 275 cord or smaller gauge wire, gives the best results. Using 275 cord I am able to crimp the sleeving directly into the pin. No more issues with making the correct size bump to go into the connector housing. I just give it a quick burn with the lighter to remove any frays. Here are a couple pics of my results.


Here is a pic of my wire next to a precrimped wire I purchased from Primochill. Can you tell which is the one I made and which is the precrimped wire.


This is a MOLEX power to SATA power cable I made to power my Aquaero 6 XT. The SATA will plug into my new USB hub



Quick note on Crimpers. I've used the blue set I purchased from PPCS, A $200 Greenlee set I purchased from Amazon, and Lutro's recommended MFC crimpers that I purchased from Mainframe. IMHO the Greenlee and MFC crimpers are similar in my results with 18-22 gauge wire crimps. The one I purchased from PPCS is good but not great. I've discovered that I am able to get decent and consistent crimps with all three as long as the pins are properly positioned. The Greenlee crimper was over tightened when I first received it so I had to make adjustments. Another issue I found is using SATA EZ crimp connectors. I had a lot of problems with these connectors with the wire not properly connecting inside the terminal. Instead of purchased a punch down tool, I was able to find the MOLEX tool for this purpose. Here is the link.
http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0638133503_APPLICATION_TOOLIN.xml
http://www.ttiinc.com/page/search_advpart.html?partsNumber=63813-3503&mfgShortname=MOL
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/63813-3503/?qs=%2fha2pyFadugvUfN6a7U0yOCF3Jw30AB6n4tyVkMnLEI%3d
Edited by jsutter71 - 6/12/16 at 9:43pm
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The Han Lon HT-225D crimper will never 'curl' the wings on the pin as the dies are flat and don't have the little 'bump' that causes the wing to make the heart shape. All the wings do with that tool is overlap.

I've used that tool and was easily able to pull the pin off the wire when stretching the paracord or PET sleeving tightly onto the wire.

If you find the wings break with that tool, the Lutro/MDPC-X tool or the SN-28B then the dies need adjusting. Somewhere in this forum is a guide on how to adjust the Lutro/MDPC-X crimper.

Edit; Adjusting the MDPC-X Tool

I actually have adjusted the dies, but that link explains it nicely. I am using the recommended pins-

https://www.amazon.com/Molex-Crimp-Terminal-Female-Piece/dp/B0163MAUQW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=AELLOY6K8XB8X

I will check again but my pins seem to still be gripping the wire enough to never come loose even with the overlap and one wing breaking. All it needs to do is grip enough to not let go right?
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Just to chime in about parachute cord sleeving. I've discovered that 275 cord or smaller gauge wire, gives the best results. Using 275 cord I am able to crimp the sleeving directly into the pin. No more issues with making the correct size bump to go into the connector housing. I just give it a quick burn with the lighter to remove any frays. Here are a couple pics of my results.


Here is a pic of my wire next to a precrimped wire I purchased from Primochill. Can you tell which is the one I made and which is the precrimped wire.


This is a MOLEX power to SATA power cable I made to power my Aquaero 6 XT. The SATA will plug into my new USB hub



Quick note on Crimpers. I've used the blue set I purchased from PPCS, A $200 Greenlee set I purchased from Amazon, and Lutro's recommended MFC crimpers that I purchased from Mainframe. IMHO the Greenlee and MFC crimpers are similar in my results with 18-22 gauge wire crimps. The one I purchased from PPCS is good but not great. I've discovered that I am able to get decent and consistent crimps with all three as long as the pins are properly positioned. The Greenlee crimper was over tightened when I first received it so I had to make adjustments. Another issue I found is using SATA EZ crimp connectors. I had a lot of problems with these connectors with the wire not properly connecting inside the terminal. Instead of purchased a punch down tool, I was able to find the MOLEX tool for this purpose. Here is the link.
http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0638133503_APPLICATION_TOOLIN.xml
http://www.ttiinc.com/page/search_advpart.html?partsNumber=63813-3503&mfgShortname=MOL
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/63813-3503/?qs=%2fha2pyFadugvUfN6a7U0yOCF3Jw30AB6n4tyVkMnLEI%3d

WOW interesting! no way I could do that with my thick wire tho. Looks great! biggrin.gif
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I actually have adjusted the dies, but that link explains it nicely. I am using the recommended pins-

https://www.amazon.com/Molex-Crimp-Terminal-Female-Piece/dp/B0163MAUQW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=AELLOY6K8XB8X

I will check again but my pins seem to still be gripping the wire enough to never come loose even with the overlap and one wing breaking. All it needs to do is grip enough to not let go right?
WOW interesting! no way I could do that with my thick wire tho. Looks great! biggrin.gif

You might be surprised. The wire in the picture is 18 gauge. Even if your using 16 gauge, it is not a huge difference. 275 cord stretches enough to work with that gauge. for thinner 22 gauge such as fan cables, I use 95 cord.

I have had a lot of trial and error with with crimping. I have hand trimmers, so I've watched a lot of YouTube videos to try and figure out the best methods that work for me. I generally follow Lutro's videos.
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You might be surprised. The wire in the picture is 18 gauge. Even if your using 16 gauge, it is not a huge difference. 275 cord stretches enough to work with that gauge. for thinner 22 gauge such as fan cables, I use 95 cord.

I have had a lot of trial and error with with crimping. I have hand trimmers, so I've watched a lot of YouTube videos to try and figure out the best methods that work for me. I generally follow Lutro's videos.

Thanks for the advice. I will try and crimp my 550 paracord in with my 16awg wire and see if it holds and plugs in. Would be great to eliminate the whole melting and shaping the ends step (I am going heatshrinkless) I don't understand why people want heatshrink because I love the clean look of heatshrinkless.
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I Just received my MOLEX insertion tool for SATA power inline connectors. The tool is very nice quality and has some weight to it. Here are some pics.



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I Just received my MOLEX insertion tool for SATA power inline connectors. The tool is very nice quality and has some weight to it. Here are some pics.




That's the first tool I've seen designed for this kind of connector and it looks pretty slick. I've had excellent results using a four pin fan pin removal tool:




The best part about this tool is I already had it; it is part of a four tool set I bought a few years ago.
     
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After my last post I tried it out and was very impressed. It made the process much easier.
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Here is a quick shot of the cables I made using the MOLEX brand insertion tool. The EZ crimp connectors are also MOLEX brand.
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