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You should totally put your video of the use of your own tool in the first post. It helped a lot.

You made a very clear video. Maybe you can do one from start to finish. So also show how you get the connector out. etc.

I have one question; do you always need to rebuy the connectors? I mean can't you just re-use them if they're in the desired colour?
 
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You should totally put your video of the use of your own tool in the first post. It helped a lot.
You made a very clear video. Maybe you can do one from start to finish. So also show how you get the connector out. etc.
I have one question; do you always need to rebuy the connectors? I mean can't you just re-use them if they're in the desired colour?

I dont really want to advertise on this guide, and the videos are in a different thread as it would just be too much info in one place.

I show how to get them out of the connector in the mdpc video, and I will be going over it in depth in the "sleeving tool shootout" I have planned.

And yes you can always reuse the existing connectors!


Also I just updated the FAQ to include a small blip about crimpers and pins.

As always I will continue to keep adding more info as I have time.
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Which crimpers & pins do I buy? – What crimpers & pins to use and the reason why they are chosen.


To understand the following information you need to understand that not all crimpers are created equally. Molex has a chart in which it defines what is a good crimp and what is a bad crimp in its own standards - but from an experienced sleevers point of view there is only one good crimp, and that is the bite crimp.

Here is an example taken from hchristian's Experiance with different pins and tools.
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"1st wire : MDPC-X crimp with MDPC-X pin create an "m" shape that bites into the insulation, making the contact real solid.

2nd wire : MDPC-X crimp with ConnectX pin create an "m" shape as well, however, as mentioned earlier, due to the shorter "wings", the pin doesn't bite into the insulation as much.

3rd wire : Han Long crimp with MDPC-X pin. The tool simply sucks to be honest, it was the reason I decided to buy the MDPC-X crimping tool despite the cost to ship internationally. The crimp is unable to create an "m" shape, it simply folds the "wings". Simply pulling on it slides the cable off the pin unfortunately."

So now that you see what the two available tools can do (the hans tool is the same at both perfpc and frozencpu) lets talk a moment about pins before we continue.

Most pins that are sold are non-OEM pins, this means that a manufacturer other then Molex has made them and sold them to our online shops. The problem with this is that they decided it would be a good idea to make the wings that hold the wire smaller and then sell the longer winged pins as "double wire" pins.

Any experienced sleever will tell you that these pins "shorter wings" are garbage as they don't allow the proper bite into the wire to hold and make a strong crimp.

So what we can take away from this is that only the original Molex brand crimps should be bought even if you are just using the hans tool.

Here is the part number for those pins:
Molex ATX Female Pins - 39-00-0038
Molex ATX Male Pins - 39-00-0040 (just for extensions)

And finally, here is a list of crimpers that should be considered for purchase:

For a couple crimps or a small project (not recommended for a full set because of the way it crimps the "wings") : http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1277
Note: these can be found at many different mod shops including FTW, FrozenCPU and others.

The best for the best price (this will produce perfect crimps all the time that will hold also it comes with pins): http://de.mdpc-x.com/mdpc-crimping/mdpc-crimpzange.htm
Note: This is the german site and it is sold on the international site but his shop times are limited

This may be the best tool as its made by Molex, but the price is way out of range for most people: http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=97M9440&CMP=AFC-GB100000001
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There needs to be a 'I learned how to do this from Lutro0' thread with pics tongue.gif
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There needs to be a 'I learned how to do this from Lutro0' thread with pics tongue.gif

LOL, that sir would be epic. Who wants to start it? lol
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Hey Lutro0 did you ever get moved into your new house?
Also wondering if you ever sleeved the new SeaSonic Platinum Platinum PSU yet? And is it any different than the GOLD PSU. Thanks biggrin.gif
    
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So, Lutro0.. your saying that a normal persons hands are going to be killing them from that molex crimper? Since its not a ratcheting type?
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Hey Lutro0 did you ever get moved into your new house?
Also wondering if you ever sleeved the new SeaSonic Platinum Platinum PSU yet? And is it any different than the GOLD PSU. Thanks biggrin.gif

I have not, Im thinking another 2 weeks or so. We ended up having to replace all the ducting so woohoo, its taking longer. mad.giftongue.gif

I have not, but I would be willing to bet they have not changed their crimps, as all the rest have been the same.

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So, Lutro0.. your saying that a normal persons hands are going to be killing them from that molex crimper? Since its not a ratcheting type?

No, I meant that to have to crimp and then open it over and over and over it will be a pain. The reason a ratcheting crimper is so awesome is that you can ratchet it down a little ( a click or two ) to hold the pin and then stick the wire in, or precrimp the pin (a couple clicks) and then stick the pin on the wire. With the non-ratcheting there is no clicks and only a guessed amount of pressure to hold the pin in to put the wire in. This will most likely effect your ability to get a even good crimp, it can be worked around, but why hassle yourself to just save 30 bucks or so.

Long story short it takes all of the guess work out of crimping to have the ratcheting tool. Although even with one, its an art form in itself.

I mean don't get me wrong it will work, just I think by the time you did a full psu or even 20 pins you would want to smash it on the ground.

The quality of the crimp is the big reason why I don't even mention it in my guide as it takes away from the quality of the pin because you are focused on the tool and not on the crimping at hand and for most new sleevers this leaves a huge area open for people to make mistakes on something that is supposed to be easy. Anyone who has made allot of wires knows how hard it is to keep them all even, this just throws another wrench into obtaining that perfect goal.

I try my best to always put my point of view not as a expert sleever (which I don't even consider myself to be) but as a first time sleever getting ready to do his first custom job. So all of my recommendations are for people starting out, however anyone who advances in sleeving will know the difference between the tools and have the feel for them which is key. But a whole nother side of what I recommend is quality, price, and usefulness.

I hope all of that makes sense.
Edited by Lutro0 - 6/8/12 at 5:46pm
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I try my best to always put my point of view not as a expert sleever (which I don't even consider myself to be)

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Did some revisions to the crimping info. Thanks Nawon
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Which crimpers & pins do I buy? – What crimpers & pins to use and the reason why they are chosen.


To understand the following information you need to understand that not all crimpers or pins are created equally. Molex has a chart in which it defines what is a good crimp and what is a bad crimp in its own standards - but from an experienced sleevers point of view there is only one good crimp, and that is the bite crimp. This is due to the bite crimp "biting" into the insulation of the pin. This by itself does not hold the pin onto the wire, but it reinforces the crimp and makes it stronger.

When you make a wire for sleeving, the wire will be tugged on and played around with quite a bit, so you want to make sure the the crimp is as strong as you can get it. To simply rely upon the crimp portion that holds onto the wire will result in a weak crimp and you will most likely rip the crimp off the wire. Now Molex itself from its own stand point says that the crimps in the middle and right are acceptable to which I would agree with for any other application besides sleeving. For sleeving we want the best crimp with the most secure pin and IMO and all professional sleevers this will always be the "bite" crimp.

Here is an example taken from hchristian's experience with different pins and tools.
409
"1st wire : MDPC-X crimp with MDPC-X pin create an "m" shape that bites into the insulation, making the contact real solid.

2nd wire : MDPC-X crimp with ConnectX pin create an "m" shape as well, however, as mentioned earlier, due to the shorter "wings", the pin doesn't bite into the insulation as much.

3rd wire : Han Long crimp with MDPC-X pin. The tool simply sucks to be honest, it was the reason I decided to buy the MDPC-X crimping tool despite the cost to ship internationally. The crimp is unable to create an "m" shape, it simply folds the "wings". Simply pulling on it slides the cable off the pin unfortunately."

So now that you see what the two available tools can do (the Han Long [HT-225D] tool is the same at both Performance PCs and FrozenCPU) lets talk a moment about pins before we continue.

Most pins that are sold are non-OEM pins, this means that a manufacturer other then Molex has made them and sold them to our online shops. The problem with this is that they decided it would be a good idea to make the wings that hold the wire smaller and then sell the longer winged pins as "double wire" pins.

Any experienced sleever will tell you that these pins "shorter wings" are garbage as they don't allow the proper bite into the wire to hold and make a strong crimp. Which leads us back to what was mentioned in the into of this question. You need to have the longer wings to provide a good bite into the insulation to make a strong crimp.

So what we can take away from this is that only the original Molex brand crimps should be bought even if you are just using the hans tool as they will allow the best grip.

Here is the part number for those pins -a reel is a string of pins while a bag is pins not on a reel- :
Molex ATX (Mini-Fit Jr. Series) Female Pins - 39-00-0038 (Reel)
Molex ATX (Mini-Fit Jr. Series) Female Pins - 39-00-0039 (Bag)
Molex ATX (Mini-Fit Jr. Series) Male Pins - 39-00-0040 (Reel) (These are the pins used for making an extension)
Molex ATX (Mini-Fit Jr. Series) Male Pins - 39-00-0041 (Bag) (These are the pins used for making an extension)

And finally, here is a list of crimpers that should be considered for purchase:

Han Long [HT-225D] For a couple crimps or a small project (not recommended for a full set because of the way it crimps the "wings") : http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1277
Note: these can be found at many different mod shops including FTW, FrozenCPU, Performance-pcs and others.

MDPC Crimper The best for the best price (this will produce perfect crimps all the time that will hold also it comes with pins): http://de.mdpc-x.com/mdpc-crimping/mdpc-crimpzange.htm
Note: This is the german site and it is sold on the international site but his shop times are limited

Molex Brand Ratchet Crimper This may be the best tool as its made by Molex, but the price is way out of range for most people: http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=97M9440&CMP=AFC-GB100000001

Edited by Lutro0 - 6/11/12 at 10:47pm
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I have another question; sleeving fan cables. Is re-using the fan cable connectors doable? Or is it best to always buy new ones? I can't find how to reuse them. Can one just "up" the pins you pressed down and stick them back in the connector? Or is that a bad idea?
 
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