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OK, I'm sure similar threads have been erected and I apologize if I overlooked them when researching this stuff.

I am buying a MOSFET block for my motherboard once EK releases it - hopefully in June. Not wanting to tear my loop apart twice, I have decided to upgrade my GPU at the same time.

I am deciding between adding another 7970 in CrossFire or jumping to team green and grabbing a 690.

I know the 690 is 2 GK104 GPUs on one board. Is this going to provide better performance than 2 separate 7970s linked together? I know there can be scaling/microstutter issues, but I've also heard people having issues with a single 7970. So far my Radeon card has worked terrifically. The only game I experienced issues with (and only minor ones at that) was SW:TOR, and this was common on both AMD and NVIDIA cards.

Currently I am gaming on a single 1080p display. I will eventually go to a triple-1080p eyefinity setup in a few months. Again, the reason for the upgrade is to avoid re-looping my rig twice.

So, what should I do? I would be looking to get about $560 for the 7970 with full-cover EK block shipped. So for about another $500 I could grab the 690.

Thanks in advance for opinion/advice biggrin.gif

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I would say go for 7970 crossfire. The 690 is great and all, but 7970's in crossfire will beat it after overclocking, and even more so since you'll be at such a high resolution. If you can wait and spend a TAD more, it couldn't hurt to look at the 7990 when it releases (or the 7970x2, whatever its going to be called). Get that and go for tri fire, so you don't have stutter issues (most people with stutter issues say it goes away with tri fire).
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post #3 of 16
Since you already have an HD 7970, you should buy another for xfire.

The performance is pretty much on par with each other. But coming from HD 7970's myself, the noise(really LOUD when overclocking) and drivers on the AMD side leave much to be desired.

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Some additional things to consider. thumb.gif
Quote:
SLI smoothness vs. CrossFireX smoothness




We don't know what other descriptive word to use, other than "smoothness" to describe the difference we feel between SLI and CrossFireX when we play games. We've expressed this difference in gameplay feeling between SLI and CrossFireX in the past, in other evaluations, and we have to bring it up again because it was very apparent during our testing of 680 SLI versus 7970 CFX.



We can't communicate to you "smoothness" in raw framerates and graphs. Smoothness, frame transition, and game responsiveness is the experience that is provided to you as you play. Perhaps it has more to do with "frametime" than it does with "framerate." To us it seems like SLI is "more playable" at lower framerates than CrossFireX is. For example, where we might find a game playable at 40 FPS average with SLI, when we test CrossFireX we find that 40 FPS doesn't feel as smooth and we have to target a higher average framerate, maybe 50 FPS, maybe 60 FPS for CrossFireX to feel like NVIDIA's SLI framerate of 40 FPS. Only real-world hands on gameplay can show you this, although we can communicate it in words to you. Even though this is a very subjective realm of reviewing GPUs, it is one we surely need to discuss with you.



The result of SLI feeling smoother than CrossFireX is that in real-world gameplay, we can get away with a bit lower FPS with SLI, whereas with CFX we have to aim a little higher for it to feel smooth. We do know that SLI performs some kind of driver algorithm to help smooth SLI framerates, and this could be why it feels so much better. Whatever the reason, to us, SLI feels smoother than CrossFireX.



Personally speaking here, when I was playing between GeForce GTX 680 SLI and Radeon HD 7970 CrossFireX, I felt GTX 680 SLI delivered the better experience in every single game. I will make a bold and personal statement; I'd prefer to play games on GTX 680 SLI than I would with Radeon HD 7970 CrossFireX after using both. For me, GTX 680 SLI simply provides a smoother gameplay experience. If I were building a new machine with multi-card in mind, SLI would go in my machine instead of CrossFireX. In fact, I'd probably be looking for those special Galaxy 4GB 680 cards coming down the pike. After gaming on both platforms, GTX 680 SLI was giving me smoother performance at 5760x1200 compared to 7970 CFX. This doesn't apply to single-GPU video cards, only between SLI and CrossFireX.


-HardOcp

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/03/28/nvidia_kepler_geforce_gtx_680_sli_video_card_review/9
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If the drivers are as bad as people say I would avoid 7970 xfire like the plague.
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there are few reviews which don't install the latest patches and then blame AMD CrossfireX drivers for performance . The latest Batman Arkham city patch fixed crossfire performance issues. So different reviewers get different results

FYI

http://techreport.com/articles.x/22890/6

Batman AC 5760 x 1080 extreme FXAA High

GTX 690 - 56
HD 7970 CF - 52

The frame times too are quite good on HD 7970 CF with the least amount of time spent beyond 50 ms on a frame when compared with all setups.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/22890/7

BF3 5760 x 1080 Ultra 4x MSAA

HD 7970 CF - 59
GTX 690 - 44

Again the HD 7970 CF has the least amount of time spent beyond 50 ms and 33.3 ms on a frame when compared with all setups.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/22890/8

Crysis 2 5760 X 1080 Extreme

HD 7970 CF - 67
GTX 690 - 51

Here even though fps is smuch higher on HD 7970 CF , GTX 690 has the edge over HD 7970 CF and has lesser amount of time spent beyond 50 ms and 33.3 ms on a frame .

HD 7970 CF scaling beyond 2 cards maybe a different issue. But at 2 cards its quite decent. even subjectively. thumb.gif

Also post in the AMD forums asking HD 7970 dual CF with triple monitor Eyefinity users to post their feedback.
Edited by raghu78 - 5/28/12 at 10:49pm
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post #7 of 16
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Alright thanks for the input, folks. Seeing as I'm half way there, and my single 7970 has been good to me, I will probably opt for the CrossFire X route. They are becoming increasingly affordable (ie: decreasing in price, LOL) and the EK blocks are already on the market. The only company currently offering a 690 block is Koolance, and I'd rather stick with all EK for my rig.

Thanks again, cheers!

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Steering a little off-topic, will a 360 rad (45mm thick) in push and a 240 (60mm thick) rad in push/pull be sufficient enough to cool both cards along with my 3960X and mobo VRM?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by kulbida View Post

Steering a little off-topic, will a 360 rad (45mm thick) in push and a 240 (60mm thick) rad in push/pull be sufficient enough to cool both cards along with my 3960X and mobo VRM?
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I cooled a 4.8 - 5ghz 2500k, mosfet block, and two 7970s (OC'd in the low-mid 1200s if I remember correctly) on a 480mm RX rad with four AP-15s in push. Delta was a little high, but temps were acceptable.
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The 7970's are fast but the smoothness from NVIDIA will never be taken away.
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