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post #161 of 279
5/30/12 at 6:58am
I don't care who could log in and who couldn't on launch day, as I dont own the game nor will I purchase it, but you will 10-15 years from now when you have a hankering for some D3 and the service is no longer available.


Can't play while traveling?

NO big deal right?

Can't play because your ISP is crap?

NO big deal right?

The point you all seem to be missing is that the "trends" as you say will

Always on is NOT ok. It punishes the consumer more than anything else.

And the "hacks" you say it prevents, to blameless's point, could be done completely separately. If blizzard give us an offline client to play, there wouldn't be a peep from me. But they did not. A single player franchise turned into a quasi-MMO. mad.gif

drm =!= anti-cheat

The real goal of this is to filter every player through the RMAH, and make more money. If you guys don't see that you've got your blinders on.

Blizzard is not doing this for you to protect you from "hax", they are doing it to protect their business model. And because of bleepers like all you "don't complain/your entitled" people and the 6 million purchases (purchases =!= quality of game) this always-on policy is going to be implemented by more people than just Ubisoft rolleyes.gif.

Immediate gratification, yes?

If this was anyone else besides Blizzard, well, I wouldn't even have to say this.

smdh.

Kids/adults these days.
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5/30/12 at 7:03am
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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5235711958#1
^ That was stickied yesterday on BNet forums (i.e. almost 2 weeks after D3's launch), indicating that many people are still getting Error 37 and having login issues.
If another person responds to me with "well that's okay because the majority of players can still play", feel free to jump in a fire because that's exactly how far you're willing to go to defend this level of DRM.

Many != The majority of the world.

See? I can do it too!


And it is defending exhagerated facts the same thing as defending the drm? Nope. You're just trying to make the situation seem worse than it is. But see above, many is not the same as the majority of the world, as you so kindly put it in previous posts. And all of this was expected. If you didn't expect it then you're an idiot plain out, because let's face it, 1) blizzard has never had a smooth launch, 2) they made their estimated yearly quota in the first week, and that should give you an idea of how underpowered the servers were estimated to need to be.
post #163 of 279
5/30/12 at 7:14am
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Many != The majority of the world.
See? I can do it too!
And it is defending exhagerated facts the same thing as defending the drm? Nope. You're just trying to make the situation seem worse than it is. But see above, many is not the same as the majority of the world, as you so kindly put it in previous posts. And all of this was expected. If you didn't expect it then you're an idiot plain out, because let's face it, 1) blizzard has never had a smooth launch, 2) they made their estimated yearly quota in the first week, and that should give you an idea of how underpowered the servers were estimated to need to be.
doh.gif

It seems your brain cannot fathom what would've happened if all the content simply existed on your client and you could launch + play the game without having to connect to anything (you know, how games have worked for the past 2 decades). There would have been NO server overload or login issues. You would be able to insert the disc, install the game, authenticate CD key with your BattleNet account once and then be set for offline play forever, only needing to connect if you wanted to play multiplayer.

And since your mind cannot think outside that box, it's pointless trying to discuss anything because you'll always come back to the "well me and my friends can play it, therefore it's fine" and "this was expected" statements.
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5/30/12 at 7:17am
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doh.gif
It seems your brain cannot fathom

It seems your brain cannot fathom I couldn't care less about DRM as much as I do falsified and over exaggerated facts.

Also, the insulting really hurts.
post #165 of 279
5/30/12 at 7:20am
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It seems your brain cannot fathom I couldn't care less about DRM as much as I do falsified and over exaggerated facts.
Also, the insulting really hurts.
So no matter what happens, you're going to keep turning the discussion around to the "validity of facts" and simply clamp your hands over your ears when anyone tries to talk about the main issue of always-online DRM (which FYI is what this thread is about, read the title). That's too bad rolleyes.gif

I'm the only one here who has tried to provide any evidence of what I say. Regardless of how widespread the problem is (or isn't), the problems still exist (try google/forums) and they could've all been AVOIDED if the game could run fully on the client instead of requiring a remote server.

Your most likely reply:
"The issue is nowhere near as big as you make it out to be, me and my friends can play, your facts are invalid, blah blah blah, I don't care about DRM".

GG.
Edited by Tippy - 5/30/12 at 7:28am
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5/30/12 at 7:33am
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If the facts are not valid then what use are they? If everything spouted is a straight up lie and / or over exaggerated, then how do they pertain to the problem at hand?

You may have tried to provide evidence, but most of that evidence is old and disproven already as I pointed out about the authenticator issue. Which again, falsified and over exaggerated, as the hacks weren't an issue for people with authenticators.

The thread may be about the DRM but it isn't about lies and over exaggertion.


And can you please point out once where I said this kind of DRM isn't a problem? You can't. As I never said it. Go troll somewhere else.
post #167 of 279
5/30/12 at 7:37am
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You may have tried to provide evidence, but most of that evidence is old and disproven already as I pointed out about the authenticator issue. Which again, falsified and over exaggerated, as the hacks weren't an issue for people with authenticators.
You've got me mixed with someone else obviously, I haven't said a single word about hacking/authenticators. Please re-read my posts and not somebody elses.

I posted a link about login issues that people were still having posted by a Blizzard employee just yesterday (I'm pretty sure he's not lying or exaggerating). It seems you didn't even visit the link. That is what I have been talking about the whole time, the fact that that the server-based design is making the game impossible to play for some people. Do you understand?
Edited by Tippy - 5/30/12 at 7:43am
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5/30/12 at 7:40am
The DRM isn't that big of an issue for me. It is no doubt an issue, but not a completely game-breaking one.

For me the game-breaker is the fact that I have to play through normal mode to unlock a harder difficulty level. If I wanted to wade through levels of un-interesting and not challenging content then I would. What is the point of saving Deckard Cain from monsters if you kill them in one hit and it doesn't really feel like you saved him?

They completely broke this by allowing the import of your toon to the next level. They basically made it so that even if they opened up the harder levels you wouldn't be able to feasibly do them because you'd need the gear and stuff from normal mode. It's a complete wash, this game, and I wish I could return it and get my money back. I won't be buying another activision/blizzard product for a LONG time.

I'll stick to my free League of Legends and be done with all these other crappy companies who aren't giving the players what they want and instead milk them like cash cows.
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5/30/12 at 8:03am
Any rumors of Notch tweeting that Blizzard may be systematically ruining gaming any time soon?

Maybe Gabe Newell will release a passive aggressive attack article shortly with Kotaku/PCGamer/any other publication site he is in bed with to once again rise up as the knight in shining armour amidst the demon that is every other DRM except Steam?

Or is it too soon to score internet points for doing so yet?
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 5/30/12 at 8:06am
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