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I only commented that I doubt you have much time comparing both, not that you did not own both. With that said, quality is not what all comes in the package; those are niceties and great customer service. I have nothing but good things to say about my experiences with Noctua and their products, but their fans are, in today's market, only average. They are just extremely well-hyped. The 'feel cheaper' I'll address below...

Wrong. I called him out that he could not have had much hands-on time with the two fans in question, not that he did not have them at all. Owning is not synonymous with using. Brutuz owns the fans, but given how he appears to define 'quality' (fan feel and package contents), I question his judgement of the quality of Noctua fans. Derp indeed.
You can wordsmith the difference between commercial and industrial fans all you want, but the fact is, fan-to-fan, there are many better fans than Noctuas for both low- and high-impedance fans. What do we typically talk about when discussing fan quality? Consistency, durability, performance, and reliability or look, feel, and packaging? There is a reason that Noctua fans are not at present used in industrial applications. There is a reason knowledgeable people on this forum (you've spent enough time in the air cooling subforum to know them too) are using fans other than Noctuas.

It's hard to word the difference, but when you hold the fans its obvious that the Noctua's feel better quality than GTs; sure the specs aren't the best but you're talking a few degrees tops difference.

I can't talk for GTs yet (I've only had mine for a few months or so) as they are Nidec and not Scythe making them (iirc) but I know some of Scythes fans suck in the build quality regard, I bought a set of 5 Slipstreams and all of them died within a year; whereas I've had Noctua's in a much worse case (Much more restrictive, never cleaned unlike my main rig) and they function fine.

As for an OOTB solution for silence...Noctua's are bar none, if you have no PWM slots just plug them into the adapter and be done with it; no need for a fan controller or anything else other than what comes with the fan.
    
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It's hard to word the difference, but when you hold the fans its obvious that the Noctua's feel better quality than GTs; sure the specs aren't the best but you're talking a few degrees tops difference.
I can't talk for GTs yet (I've only had mine for a few months or so) as they are Nidec and not Scythe making them (iirc) but I know some of Scythes fans suck in the build quality regard, I bought a set of 5 Slipstreams and all of them died within a year; whereas I've had Noctua's in a much worse case (Much more restrictive, never cleaned unlike my main rig) and they function fine.
As for an OOTB solution for silence...Noctua's are bar none, if you have no PWM slots just plug them into the adapter and be done with it; no need for a fan controller or anything else other than what comes with the fan.

Agreed, The Noctua just feels like a piece of art. The GT's feel like plasticy Japanese crap.

But I love my GT's, and they're all I use now since I've realised they are the gold standard for radiator fans.
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It's hard to word the difference, but when you hold the fans its obvious that the Noctua's feel better quality than GTs; sure the specs aren't the best but you're talking a few degrees tops difference.
I can't talk for GTs yet (I've only had mine for a few months or so) as they are Nidec and not Scythe making them (iirc) but I know some of Scythes fans suck in the build quality regard, I bought a set of 5 Slipstreams and all of them died within a year; whereas I've had Noctua's in a much worse case (Much more restrictive, never cleaned unlike my main rig) and they function fine.
As for an OOTB solution for silence...Noctua's are bar none, if you have no PWM slots just plug them into the adapter and be done with it; no need for a fan controller or anything else other than what comes with the fan.

 

You should really get your hands on a Gentle Typhoon AP-13 or AP-12s.

 

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Agreed, The Noctua just feels like a piece of art. The GT's feel like plasticy Japanese crap.
But I love my GT's, and they're all I use now since I've realised they are the gold standard for radiator fans.

I disagree, the GT feels a lot better than Noctua fans.

 

I have tried a BUNCH of Gentle Typhoons AP-11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 00 and even the 92mm model. I have also tried a bunch of Noctua fans, three different types of 120mm, one type of 92mm, and one type of 140mm. The 92mm fan fins  feels like they'll snap easily..

    
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They can cram as much technology into their fans as they like, they refuse to have any other color option than their trademark vomit-orange/brown, I'm not buying their expensive fans >_>
Remember, I'm not saying they ditch their beloved color scheme completely. Just please give people the OPTION of other colors like what every other fan manufacturer does.

that's why they do it, for you remember it
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I just saw a prototype on youtube, it was completely white except for those anti vibration rubber parts. I guess I'll consider getting some of these if they aren't overpriced.
    
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You should really get your hands on a Gentle Typhoon AP-13 or AP-12s.

I disagree, the GT feels a lot better than Noctua fans.

I have tried a BUNCH of Gentle Typhoons AP-11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 00 and even the 92mm model. I have also tried a bunch of Noctua fans, three different types of 120mm, one type of 92mm, and one type of 140mm. The 92mm fan fins  feels like they'll snap easily..

Model number SC-D1225C12B5AP-15? I have two of those for my 120x2 rad, and was planning on getting some more actually.
    
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Model number SC-D1225C12B5AP-15? I have two of those for my 120x2 rad, and was planning on getting some more actually.

 

You were writing about how Noctua's are great for a silent rig without PWM slots or adapters. The D1225C12B5AP-12 and AP-13 are VERY quiet fans at their full speed without adapters or fan controllers. The AP-13's run around the same RPM's as Noctua fans but they perform better.

 

If you want absolute performance, then the AP-15 and AP-00's are great.

    
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As for an OOTB solution for silence...Noctua's are bar none, if you have no PWM slots just plug them into the adapter and be done with it; no need for a fan controller or anything else other than what comes with the fan.

Hook up those same low-speed adapters to your Gentle Typhoons. Note the difference in sound. Great thing about Gentle Typhoons is that they are so damn consistent that turning down an AP-14 to AP-12 speeds produces identical performance to an AP-12, so undervolting is definitely a viable option for your higher-speed AP-15s.

For an OOTB solution for silence, there are many better fans than anything Noctua makes. This is not a conjecture or subjective opinion. Gentle Typhoons, Noiseblocker Multiframes, Nexus Basics, and San Ace S-series are quieter than Noctua fans at similar RPMs. When factoring in sound quality (which is subjective), Enermax, Gelid, and Scythe make fans that are widely regarded as being likewise quieter and/or more benign than Noctua fans at similar RPMs. Yate Loons are very well known for being good, surprisingly quiet, and very inexpensive sleeve bearing fans. Undervolted Adda, Delta, and Panaflo fans have been mainstays in quiet computing for years.

Noctua fans occupy that spot between cheap Coolermaster / GlacialTech / SilenX / Thermaltake / etc. and the consistently top performers: Gentle Typhoons / Nexus / / Noiseblocker / San Ace / Scythe (well, some Scythes) / Thermalright / etc. Enermax and Gelid, unless things have changed recently, make quieter fans that perform similarly to Noctua fans at similar RPMs; both companies have improved their products over the last several years and I hope that trend has continued.
    
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They make great fans but that colour! whats with that brown and dull orange it just doesn't match any other PC hardware.

QFT!

That is they only thing that prevents me from buying them. They are butt ugly, and I don't want to waste time, money, and energy taking apart their stuff, voiding the warranty, and painting them.
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You were writing about how Noctua's are great for a silent rig without PWM slots or adapters. The D1225C12B5AP-12 and AP-13 are VERY quiet fans at their full speed without adapters or fan controllers. The AP-13's run around the same RPM's as Noctua fans but they perform better.

If you want absolute performance, then the AP-15 and AP-00's are great.

They are quiet, but definitely not as quiet as the Noctua's. (Not sure of exact db measurements but I think the noise they make is more noticeable to humans)
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Hook up those same low-speed adapters to your Gentle Typhoons. Note the difference in sound. Great thing about Gentle Typhoons is that they are so damn consistent that turning down an AP-14 to AP-12 speeds produces identical performance to an AP-12, so undervolting is definitely a viable option for your higher-speed AP-15s.
For an OOTB solution for silence, there are many better fans than anything Noctua makes. This is not a conjecture or subjective opinion. Gentle Typhoons, Noiseblocker Multiframes, Nexus Basics, and San Ace S-series are quieter than Noctua fans at similar RPMs. When factoring in sound quality (which is subjective), Enermax, Gelid, and Scythe make fans that are widely regarded as being likewise quieter and/or more benign than Noctua fans at similar RPMs. Yate Loons are very well known for being good, surprisingly quiet, and very inexpensive sleeve bearing fans. Undervolted Adda, Delta, and Panaflo fans have been mainstays in quiet computing for years.
Noctua fans occupy that spot between cheap Coolermaster / GlacialTech / SilenX / Thermaltake / etc. and the consistently top performers: Gentle Typhoons / Nexus / / Noiseblocker / San Ace / Scythe (well, some Scythes) / Thermalright / etc. Enermax and Gelid, unless things have changed recently, make quieter fans that perform similarly to Noctua fans at similar RPMs; both companies have improved their products over the last several years and I hope that trend has continued.

GTs are great fans, except they don't come with the adapters...Like I said, OOTB solution. (Unless there's some OOTB PWM GTs I've missed somewhere, anyway)

Hm, I guess that would have something to do with Noctua not really updating their products often (They added the F12 recently but other than that I'm sure their current fans have been around for more than a few years) but we'll have to see for these upcoming fans.

Panaflo's are great, I've got a low-speed one that I plan on undervolting to 7v once I fix the power connector; great temps with my TRUE.
    
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